Vaulty 2022 年 8 月 16 日 下午 5:05
Would you use the preffered pronouns
Imagine you meet a person and you see a massive "My pronouns are xe/xim/xir" pin on them. Would you call them xe/xim/xir or would you use "traditional" he/she pronouns when talking with them? If yes/no please say why
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Your_White_Knight 2022 年 8 月 18 日 上午 9:03 
引用自 MinionJoe
引用自 crunchyfrog
If someone takes the trouble to come up to you and say WORDS ...

Words are violence.

I'd refuse to stand there and be assaulted.

True
Michanicks 2022 年 8 月 18 日 上午 9:09 
"Nor is so annoying"
"Yes, i ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hate mal"
ambi 2022 年 8 月 18 日 上午 9:14 
didn't someone invent some neo-pronouns on tiktok and they got banned? something like super-male and super-female.
videomike_Ultimate_Plushie 2022 年 8 月 18 日 上午 9:22 
引用自 Vault Hunter 101
Would you use the preffered pronouns
引用自 Affronter
Preferred*

引用自 peppermint hollows

What do you gain from just making things up like that?
He didn't make it up. He was misinformed by other people who either misunderstood it themselves or simply decided to spread disinformation.

More info available under these terms and articles :
https://www.google.com/search?q=Canada+pronouns+law

https://www.hrreporter.com/focus-areas/diversity/30000-award-for-misuse-of-gender-pronouns/361374

That's a large difference from it being penalized as a "war crime".

There were also amendments to the criminal-statute but those amendments, as far as I understand, don't make it a "war crime", or even a "hate crime" - the amendments just allow violent crimes committed against people to receive enhanced charges, elevating the violent crime to a hate crime, if in addition to the violent crime being committed, there is evidence or testimony that the victim's gender-identity was actively being disrespected, as this is grounds to assert that the violent act was motivated by hate and / or intolerance. The entire criminal aspect of the Canadian amendment can be completely avoided if you just don't commit a violent crime.
(If any part of this understanding of mine is incorrect, then someone please provide a counter example to evidence otherwise.)

Now, that said, I don't think Canada has handled this appropriately and consequently has single-handedly fueled a tremendous amount of anti-trans hysteria by allowing civil litigation to proceed over compelled speech policies for workplaces.

People in the USA are acting like this much & more is happening in the USA when it absolutely isn't. :rainbowtarget:

I in fact did make clear this this is happening outside the U.S. it was one of my starting points before mentioning this. as for the "War crimes thing," yeah that was trying to be smartass and clever by tying the concept of a "human right,"(Canada calls it as such) to the concept of a war crime, which was just disengenuous. The illegal still stands though.

Now let's talk about the legal example since it's interesting. Do you not see an serious problem here? If someone doesn't use the titles of an individual, they are now guilty of a hate-crime, and a strictly violence crime like murder can then be escalated purely if the defendant does not accept some other persons titles. Of course all of this is based on your interpretation to a .com publicly traded news sites and a google search, so you might as well have come to me with no quote at all and been just as well. New flash, find the actual law next time. That being said, I don't think it's "mysteria" to note a law enforcing compelled speech onto someone. It's a breach of the human right of freedom of speech so I'm not sure you justify that as hysteria.
Siluva 2022 年 8 月 18 日 上午 9:40 
引用自 female ben shapiro
didn't someone invent some neo-pronouns on tiktok and they got banned? something like super-male and super-female.

"It's only ok when we do it"
Thermal Lance 2022 年 8 月 18 日 上午 9:42 
引用自 Siluva
引用自 female ben shapiro
didn't someone invent some neo-pronouns on tiktok and they got banned? something like super-male and super-female.

"It's only ok when we do it"
Intent matters.

One is serious, the other is trolling.
Siluva 2022 年 8 月 18 日 上午 9:44 
引用自 Thermal Lance
Intent matters.

One is serious, the other is trolling.

My bad then.

"It's only ok when we do it, if others do it then it's automatically trolling."

fixed.
最後修改者:Siluva; 2022 年 8 月 18 日 上午 9:45
MinionJoe 2022 年 8 月 18 日 上午 9:48 
引用自 Siluva
引用自 Thermal Lance
Intent matters.

One is serious, the other is trolling.

My bad then.

"It's only ok when we do it, if others do it then it's automatically trolling."

fixed.
Dissent ist VERBOTEN!

Comply and obey!
Siluva 2022 年 8 月 18 日 上午 9:52 
引用自 MinionJoe
Dissent ist VERBOTEN!

Comply and obey!

NEIN !! Du kartofellsalat kopf will never catch me alive !
Kiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at 🃏 2022 年 8 月 18 日 上午 9:54 
...
People in the USA are acting like this much & more is happening in the USA when it absolutely isn't. :rainbowtarget:

I in fact did make clear this this is happening outside the U.S. ...
Yes, but you're a "person", not a "people".

I might be willing to concede that you're a "people" socially (not legally - you don't & shouldn't get double votes) if you happen to have a disassociative mental condition, but otherwise, "peppermint hollows' -" question provided an opportune time to address where the majority of the opposition & concern comes from, beyond just the places where people are being intolerant or discriminatory (which some people are definitely just being intolerant / discriminatory too).

... Do you not see an serious problem here? If someone doesn't use the titles of an individual, they are now guilty of a hate-crime, and a strictly violence crime like murder can then be escalated purely if the defendant does not accept some other persons titles. ...
*Elevated, not escalated, there's a bit of a difference.

Anyways, there are other bases for defining a hate-crime.
I can understand if you just don't think that elevated charges for hate-crimes should exist at all, as that's a position about whether and how harsh law should be on crime.
As long as you aren't opposed to the concept of hate-crime charges, though, there needs to be ways to accurately define what hateful motive and hateful motivation is.


So to get to your question at the start of that point of yours :
I see a problem with people murdering each other.

I also see a BIGGER problem with people committing murders on the basis, or with the motive, to purge society of differences that they think "don't belong".
Unlike murder for reasons such as obtaining inheritance (greed), hate-motivated murders are quite literally in every sense someone "playing god" by deciding who lives and who dies, rather than simply killing to eliminate an obstacle to profit.
Unlike someone who simply murdered an obstacle to their objective, you can be certain that people who take it upon themselves to decide who has the right to live or not won't be satisfied or stop at just 1 person that they have decided does not have the right to live, and likely would even start a full-genocide if given the opportunity - not because the people being purged were an obstacle to obtaining some profit, but simply because they were deemed to be unworthy of human-rights. We've seen this happen before, unless you're going to deny that the holocaust happened too.

... Of course all of this is based on your interpretation to a .com publicly traded news sites and a google search ...
If you actually believe that, then the Canadian law is made up then, according to you?
Then it would seem you don't even have a reasonable concern for being penalized for compelled speech.

You can't even maintain consistent points that don't undermine your own position.

... yeah that was trying to be smartass and clever by tying the concept of a "human right,"(Canada calls it as such) to the concept of a war crime, which was just disengenuous. ...
...
... New flash, find the actual law next time. ...
How about you do that instead of falsely relating things to war-crimes?

But you already admitted that you were being disingenous, so it should come as no surprise that you demand others cite legal statutes after making your own legal claims yet failing to cite the statute yourself.
Your_White_Knight 2022 年 8 月 18 日 上午 9:59 
引用自 MinionJoe
引用自 Siluva

My bad then.

"It's only ok when we do it, if others do it then it's automatically trolling."

fixed.
Dissent ist VERBOTEN!

Comply and obey!

Jawohl! :dazed_yeti:
pasa 2022 年 8 月 18 日 上午 10:48 
引用自 Rupika
You asked why you would talk with such a person. I explained why. Don't complain to me about it.

@pasa

That's not what I call "talk" and misses the OP question by a lightyear, but never mind, formally you're correct, keep up with this level of "explanations".
Thermal Lance 2022 年 8 月 18 日 上午 10:53 
引用自 Siluva
引用自 Thermal Lance
Intent matters.

One is serious, the other is trolling.

My bad then.

"It's only ok when we do it, if others do it then it's automatically trolling."

fixed.
How was it not trolling lmao.

Jesus.
crunchyfrog 2022 年 8 月 18 日 下午 3:23 
引用自 crunchyfrog
Yup absolutely, because it's basic empathy and doesn't hurt you at all.

If someone takes the trouble to come up to you and say WORDS that they would like to be called by how is this an worse than having a different name? It isn't. So if they feel it's important and ask you, then oblige and do it. It's a bit like if someone comes up to you to talk and you respond each time by smacking them in the face. That ain't conducive to good behaviour so why would you do it?

This thing about pronouns is such a non-issue it's really sad how some people have been easily fooled by it while other more draconian ♥♥♥♥ that SHOULD be complained about goes on.

Sir, I'm not oblidged to call you anything but "♥♥♥♥♥♥♥" if I want to, and neither are you. No matter what title you place upon yourself it isn't you're right to force my language to change to adapt to you're personal title, or to even regard it. If I don't like the title, I may ignore it. You don't get to control MY words.

As for doesn't hurt me: It does, it ♥♥♥♥♥ with the operational abilities of my language. That does in fact cause me harm, and you don't get to just ignore that. And that's in the U.S. im not so amero-centric that I ignore the U.K. or Germany where you get arrested for not using someones personally named title, or Canada where it's called a breach of human rights and thus equated to a war crime.

Just because it's small to you, doesnt mean it has no effetc on everyone. I would aks you ot not gaslight people by telling them the things happening to them aren't real.

引用自 this is a penile
Who the ♥♥♥♥ cares in actual sense anyway? not like you are not going to call whoever you're talking to as "he" or "she" or "helicopte", just refer everyone else as a "rando guy" or a name and whoever you are talking to as "you"....

im a dude! he's a dude! She's a dude! Cus we're all dudes hey!
Oh don't be so ridiculous.

It's nothing about force. It's just COURTESY.

That's the point. Why on earth do people get so bent out of shape to do something NICE for people especially when it doesn't hurt you in any way whatsoever? It's truly pathetic.

Please demonstrate how it ACUTALLY hurts you. What on earth is "♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ with the operational abilities of my lanauge"? How on earth is that a thing when anyone can simply do as they ask? You'll need to demosntrate evidence of this claim.

And also don't strawman me - I never said anything about gaslighting people so please stop being so silly.

The fact is if you meet someone and they right up front say something like "would you mind addressing me like this" what's wrong with that.

As I pointed out, it's no diffrerent to them saying "hey, my name is Simon, would you mind addressing me like that".
Shodan 2022 年 8 月 18 日 下午 3:38 
引用自 crunchyfrog

Sir, I'm not oblidged to call you anything but "♥♥♥♥♥♥♥" if I want to, and neither are you. No matter what title you place upon yourself it isn't you're right to force my language to change to adapt to you're personal title, or to even regard it. If I don't like the title, I may ignore it. You don't get to control MY words.

As for doesn't hurt me: It does, it ♥♥♥♥♥ with the operational abilities of my language. That does in fact cause me harm, and you don't get to just ignore that. And that's in the U.S. im not so amero-centric that I ignore the U.K. or Germany where you get arrested for not using someones personally named title, or Canada where it's called a breach of human rights and thus equated to a war crime.

Just because it's small to you, doesnt mean it has no effetc on everyone. I would aks you ot not gaslight people by telling them the things happening to them aren't real.



im a dude! he's a dude! She's a dude! Cus we're all dudes hey!
Oh don't be so ridiculous.

It's nothing about force. It's just COURTESY.

That's the point. Why on earth do people get so bent out of shape to do something NICE for people especially when it doesn't hurt you in any way whatsoever? It's truly pathetic.

Please demonstrate how it ACUTALLY hurts you. What on earth is "♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ with the operational abilities of my lanauge"? How on earth is that a thing when anyone can simply do as they ask? You'll need to demosntrate evidence of this claim.

And also don't strawman me - I never said anything about gaslighting people so please stop being so silly.

The fact is if you meet someone and they right up front say something like "would you mind addressing me like this" what's wrong with that.

As I pointed out, it's no diffrerent to them saying "hey, my name is Simon, would you mind addressing me like that".

It's just the good old neo-Marxist fascists (whatever that would even mean) clearly taking away our freedom, soon we'll all live under totalitarian governments just because of this thing alone, because it's totally required by law to refer to someone how they want you to and it's obviously illegal to refer to them any other way, that's why you got people on this forum using wrong labels on purpose and absolutely nothing has happened to them. Nothing. At all. Sounds exactly like North Korea to me, we're all doomed.
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