Would you use the preffered pronouns

[Vaulty]

Imagine you meet a person and you see a massive "My pronouns are xe/xim/xir" pin on them. Would you call them xe/xim/xir or would you use "traditional" he/she pronouns when talking with them? If yes/no please say why

[Baron Von Boom]

A name tag of what to call someone may not be instantly visible BUT the stubble and 6' foot frame smashed into a My Little Pony dress IS.
So I will call him HE, Steve or Dave.

[Lora Grim]

Nguyên văn bởi peppermint hollows:

I mean do you actually see people doing that? Like legitimately? Maybe some random post buried deep within tumblr, I'd believe if you said you saw it there...but have you actually met someone who genuinely identifies as a frog or a dog, or is that just a fabrication?

They are mostly on the internet and they mostly reside in America ( thank god ).
And before you say these are just crazies on the net, well... it is still bad publicity.
Like, what do you think people see from the lgbt the most? That they did something benefitial to society or that this one person ahd a meltdown on twitter about them identifying their gender as a xenomorph?

People are drawn to negativity more than positivity... and crazy people like that will make things seem so much worse than they actually are.

[Gus the Crocodile]

Nguyên văn bởi Lora Grim:

Remember that lgbt is/was/should be about garnering the acceptance of the masses

Hahaha, no. It's the intolerant "masses" who have work to do, not LGBT folks. LGBT is just a description of who people are, it's not a sales job they're signing up for.

Seriously, swap in something else and see how it sounds. "Remember that being Black is/was/should be about garnering the acceptance of the masses". No it shouldn't. It should be "about" being whatever you want to be.

[Lora Grim]

Nguyên văn bởi Gus the Crocodile:

Hahaha, no. It's the intolerant "masses" who have work to do, not LGBT folks. LGBT is just a description of who people are, it's not a sales job they're signing up for.

Seriously, swap in something else and see how it sounds. "Remember that being Black is/was/should be about garnering the acceptance of the masses". No it shouldn't. It should be "about" being whatever you want to be.

Cool. Great. Let's further divide and segregate humanity...
I'm done. Humans gonna human... There is no reasoning with such mindsets.

[Volfogg]

Maybe people just want to be hostile about entire thing. Maybe they want a right to be hostile. Why fix something, when you can ruin it for fun?

[peppermint hollows]

Nguyên văn bởi Lora Grim:

Nguyên văn bởi peppermint hollows:

I mean do you actually see people doing that? Like legitimately? Maybe some random post buried deep within tumblr, I'd believe if you said you saw it there...but have you actually met someone who genuinely identifies as a frog or a dog, or is that just a fabrication?

They are mostly on the internet and they mostly reside in America ( thank god ).
And before you say these are just crazies on the net, well... it is still bad publicity.
Like, what do you think people see from the lgbt the most? That they did something benefitial to society or that this one person ahd a meltdown on twitter about them identifying their gender as a xenomorph?

People are drawn to negativity more than positivity... and crazy people like that will make things seem so much worse than they actually are.

I think the average person doesn't even know said people even exist. They, are for a lack of a better term, probably too "normie" to know about places on the internet where such people are more common. And even so...what does it matter? If someone wants to identify as a frog...it really doesn't hurt anyone. It's a little weird, sure, but so what?

No. In reality, it doesn't hurt the image of the LGBT+ at all. The only people who are really saying anything about it are people who already hold a negative view of LGBT+ people and are just looking for easy, low-hanging fruit to make fun of them and paint them as crazy weirdos who lack a grip on reality. This thread is an easy example of that. Neo-pronouns are easy for them to mock, so all the fish have come and nibbled on the bait.


Off-topic is an extremely masturbatory forum these days, threads like this are made almost everyday and it's mostly just people coming together to gratify themselves by collectively making fun of trans and gay people.

[Kiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at 🃏]

Nguyên văn bởi Vault Hunter 101:

Would you use the preffered pronouns

Imagine you meet a person and you see a massive "My pronouns are xe/xim/xir" pin on them. Would you call them xe/xim/xir or would you use "traditional" he/she pronouns when talking with them? If yes/no please say why

Not much different than a nickname, but I'd probably just use their name to avoid (further) confusion, especially since pronouns are used when speaking to easily confused third-parties.
I already find regular, commonplace, pronouns, that everyone is already familiar with (he/him/his, she/her/hers, they/them/theirs, we/us/ours, it/its, this/these, that/those, nobody/no one, everybody/everyone, somebody/someone), to be frustrating / confusing and ambiguous.

I think that these only add to that confusion and serve no practical purpose.

Nguyên văn bởi brisket <3:

ok seriously why not use someone's preferred pronouns?

Nearly all pronouns, preferred or not, are a plague upon clear communication.

Even the ones that we can't live without are a scourge.
"Everyone... now did you mean everyone in the world, everyone to ever exist, or just everyone in this room? Oh, everyone in this building except for Fred, got it."

Nguyên văn bởi Jonathan:

Nguyên văn bởi Qlone:

I would ask what their name is and refer to that person by name from now on, without pronouns.

Unless you have a name like mine; then everybody going to give you a nickname.

What? "Jonathan"? That's not so bad - it's 3 syllables, so a little wordy / bit of a mouthful, but perfectly easy to pronounce. Heck, if it'll help communicate clearly, I'll even throw in a few more syllables and use someone's full-name designation more frequently, like Teal'C from Stargate does.

Nguyên văn bởi Devin7Eleven:

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Pronouns refer to gender. Well, gender is biological ...
...
So no, I won't be using those pronouns as it does not accurately represent what the person truly is. Using pronouns to refer to true identity is far more accurate as it immediately tells me if they are either male or female. Using pronouns to refer to feelings tells me nothing useful or accurate since they can change on a dime (Demi Lovato ex.).

Except you don't look at a tomboy with short hair, no makeup, no visible breasts, and a rather masculine build, and think "ah, that's a woman", because visually you won't be able to distinguish / determine that, without them telling you in advance.

So, if you want to go for peak communication when describing a stranger, suspect or "Waldo" to a third-party who is searching (who doesn't know who you are talking about), you'd care more about what they appear to be rather than what they actually are, when choosing your words to describe them.

So, MtF & FtM transgender people would get the opposite gender pronouns and femboys would get called "her" and tomboys would get called "him", because visually, that's all you can discern.

Nguyên văn bởi Devin7Eleven:

... They/Them - ... when the identity of a person is not yet known because you haven't met them....

I suppose that's fair but then are you going to believe a person when they tell you that they are male or female and just take it at face-value or are you going to care if they're trans, & therefore "not REALLY a male / female"?

Nguyên văn bởi Xero_Daxter:

I could talk about gender all day long but to stay on topic I will call you by what you were born as. If you get mad then tell it to the judge.

I must wonder how you intend to verify people's genitals without becoming a sex-offender.

Also, the same "if you get mad" dismissal could be said about people calling you "her".

[krag hag]

Nguyên văn bởi Lora Grim:

Either way, i think we shouldn't support people who are actively inventing new genders

I believe every person has a unique gender identity, so making an infinite list of labels is unnecessary. I guess you have a point there.

Nguyên văn bởi Lora Grim:

or identifying as absurd things like frogs or dogs AS their gender.

I agree that xenogenders don't have anything to do with gender identity, and shouldn't be a part of the LGBT community.

[Gus the Crocodile]

Nguyên văn bởi Lora Grim:

Cool. Great. New's further divide and segregate humanity...
I'm done. Humans gonna human... There is no reasoning with such mindsets.

You were fantasising about removing democracy only a day or so ago, now you're apparently against "dividing and segregating humanity"?

[TwisterCat]

No, not initially. It's a good chance to test the waters, see how my circle reacts, see how the people themselves would react. On top of that, I don't want to play that game with them.

[Lora Grim]

Nguyên văn bởi Gus the Crocodile:

You were fantasising about removing democracy only a day or so ago, now you're apparently against "dividing and segregating humanity"?

What kind of strawman is this? Anything other than democracy = pro-segregation ? What?

Ugh.. should i be engaging with this? Like, are you actually interested in some form of debate here or are you just looking to poke holes where no holes existed before so you can perform some gotcha on an internet stranger?

Lgbt people are just people.. and ideally, they should meld right into society as if they were ordinary. Segregating them with made-up terms creates friction where none would exist otherwise. It's pointless and asking for trouble.

[sleeps]

i hate talking about lgbt (rights) personally

can i just say that i love you guys and nothing else?

[Protomesh]

Nguyên văn bởi i've killed 3 men:

i hate talking about lgbt (rights) personally

can i just say that i love you guys and nothing else?

yes tell the oppressed groups that you love them but don't support their rights? what?

they deserve to be treated like human beings but a lot of the time, laws towards them are very discriminatory.

[GlaceonChireiden]

Even though I think the pronoun stuff is kind of weird and unnecessary, yes.
It's easier to just shrug and go along with them than try and debate them over it.

[sfnhltb]

Sure, a couple of our teachers at secondary school preferred to be called Ms instead of either Mrs or Miss, and I think generally everyone did so. Some people who have doctorates prefer to be called Dr (depending on the context), etc. Can't really see any difference with this latest trend, as long as you are aware of it, it seems basic politeness to follow the persons preferences.