I find Annoying when people complaint about 100fps and not getting 120fps

[Axiata]

bro.. people out there playing fps games with literal 40fps.. and i dont see them complaining
and these guys..

[Pocahawtness]

引用自 Out Of Bubblegum：

引用自 🤪 Pocahawtness：

For me it's not a question of faster response, rather it is smoothness. 60Hz is noticeably less smooth than 100Hz. I am under no illusions about being a better player at higher speeds, rather the display is more pleasant to look at.

I don't really get this. An NPC walks across in front of me. It take 3 seconds for it to cross the screen. At 60 Hz there will be 180 frames displayed. At 120 there will be 360 frames displayed. But it still takes 3 seconds. Those extra frames really make the NPC look like it is moving smoother? It was determined a long time ago that 24 Hz is the lower limit to make motion look smooth. Film movies were all 24 Hz until the digital age.

Depends on the motion.
Just grab hold of an item on your worktop and move it. It's pretty much impossible to move it smoothly. You have to go really slow. Focus in on a word in the item you are moving and its not moving smoothly at all. At 100Hz it is. It's perfectly smooth.

[Out Of Bubblegum]

引用自 🤪 Pocahawtness：

引用自 Out Of Bubblegum：

I don't really get this. An NPC walks across in front of me. It take 3 seconds for it to cross the screen. At 60 Hz there will be 180 frames displayed. At 120 there will be 360 frames displayed. But it still takes 3 seconds. Those extra frames really make the NPC look like it is moving smoother? It was determined a long time ago that 24 Hz is the lower limit to make motion look smooth. Film movies were all 24 Hz until the digital age.

Depends on the motion.
Just grab hold of an item on your worktop and move it. It's pretty much impossible to move it smoothly. You have to go really slow. Focus in on a word in the item you are moving and its not moving smoothly at all. At 100Hz it is. It's perfectly smooth.

Yes, I have seen a difference in moving windows on the desktop. But so what? I hardly ever move windows around and I don't care one bit if they stutter while moving. I only care if game performance or watching videos is improved. People claim that those are better. I don't see it.

[Decathect]

I think you guys are forgetting about people that are highly sensitive to motion.

I am one of these people for example, I have a hard time dealing with displays. What Hz they are, how their processors handle motion, etc I have a very hard time finding a display that doesn't mess with my eyes and make me sometimes feel ill playing on it.

Just in 2 years I've spent...maybe $4-5000? On different displays, finally settling on my current display. Went like this:

- Was using a 40" Hisense 1080p TV with a 59Hz screen and it was making me sick
- Bought a 28" Asus 1080p 60hz IPS monitor but motion would mess with my eyes
- Bought a 40" Samsung 4k 60hz 120mr 4kTV, was OK with motion if 120 motion interpolation was ON but input lag was making gaming impossible
- Bought newer 40" Samsung 4k 60hz 120mr because input lag was supposed to be better, and it was but now motion interpolation was causing ghosting
- Bought 144hz 27" Asus monitor VA panel, and it was great but the size was too small for me
- Bought 50" 4k Samsung 60hz 120mr "crystal" display, motion interpolation was great on this TV and no ghosting, input lag was gone, but I missed 144hz real frames
- Finally bought 165hz 1440p 32" Asus VA tuf gaming monitor and its perfect for me now, not too small, motion is perfect, response time is perfect, etc

Believe me, if it didn't matter, I wouldn't have wasted money on so many displays. My wife literally wanted to kill me lol. But to some of us, with very sensitive eyes, it literally matters so much. The most. No idea why it matters so much to me, however; I have been to an eye doctor and my eyesight was literally off the charts, I was reading things around the room and he joked that I was just showing off at that point. So maybe its that I have no idea. But I NEED a high Hz display, or some damn good faking with motion rates.

[crunchyfrog]

引用自 isomorphic_projection：

引用自 crunchyfrog：

Do bear in mind while that's generally true it ain't that simple as it doesnt occur in a vacuum.

The whole point of having tech that can run that fast means you get OTHER processing running equally quickly. So sure, you may not get more frames you can visibly notice, but you WILL get better rendering and other things that also smooth out.

Like fallout's 4, Achilles heel. Weapon debris.

Precisely!

[crunchyfrog]

I would also add here that in regard to previous comments about it being penis envy (it is certainly), there's something else.

It's not just a case of some people put up with x while others must have y.

I've previously pointed out that once you experience the finer examples you don't want to go back, but that very much assumes you are into that.

With audio I qualified as an audio engineer. This utterly spoiled me and made me buy higher end audio just because I couldn't go back.

However, when it comes to video I couldn't give a ♥♥♥♥. I've had higher framerates and better spec stuff but I'm happy to go for lower because I don't get that invested or care so much.

[Siluva]

引用自 Out Of Bubblegum：

People keep insisting that they "see" a big difference from fps. But I think that is all wrong.

There is a noticeable difference between 30, 60 and 120 FPS.
If you don't seen them, that sound like a "you" problem.

[🍋 Lemonfed 🍋]

I've seen a lot's of game where character speed and motions still looked fine at 30 fps not all game even need 60 or more to look smooth even if it does make the control much more responsive.

as much I think 60 fps for quake is the minimum you want , 30 fps is more then fine in a elder scroll or any slower paced games.

if you have the money 120 fps is more about comfort then playability unless you're playing competitive counters strike and you have extremely accurate reflexes.

[crunchyfrog]

引用自 Siluva：

引用自 Out Of Bubblegum：

People keep insisting that they "see" a big difference from fps. But I think that is all wrong.

There is a noticeable difference between 30, 60 and 120 FPS.
If you don't seen them, that sound like a "you" problem.

Not at all - people are different, This is basic biology.

Some people don't detect it the same - others do.

I could quite literally devise a handful of tests for YOU and cover things like framerate, reaction time, logcal response, audio sensitivity, freuqnecy sensitivity and so on, and I bet there would be a couple of things you do well at and a couple you do poorly at.

[crunchyfrog]

引用自 Lemonfed：

I've seen a lot's of game where character speed and motions still looked fine at 30 fps not all game even need 60 or more to look smooth even if it does make the control much more responsive.

as much I think 60 fps for quake is the minimum you want , 30 fps is more then fine in a elder scroll or any slower paced games.

if you have the money 120 fps is more about comfort then playability unless you're playing competitive counters strike and you have extremely accurate reflexes.

Yup, exactly - as I said it entirely depends on the game, the situation, the person and other variables.

[Ailes]

引用自 crunchyfrog：

引用自 Siluva：

There is a noticeable difference between 30, 60 and 120 FPS.
If you don't seen them, that sound like a "you" problem.

Not at all - people are different, This is basic biology.

Some people don't detect it the same - others do.

I could quite literally devise a handful of tests for YOU and cover things like framerate, reaction time, logcal response, audio sensitivity, freuqnecy sensitivity and so on, and I bet there would be a couple of things you do well at and a couple you do poorly at.

But then people shouldn't claim to know it better the other way around either. I don't see much difference past 60 FPS. But going from 30 to 60 FPS, at least to my eyes, is like a huge leap.

For that reason, if I could always choose and had no reason to worry about my system heating up needlessly, I would always pick 60 FPS. But I actively avoid going further. Usually I either enable VSynch ingame (with my 144 Hz monitor being constantly set 60 Hz on Windows) or I activate an FPS capper option ingame and will tell the game to never go beyond 60 FPS.

[Ocelote.12]

I use a 60Hz monitor, Vsync off, and max framerate capped to 75Hz (in NVIDIA Control Panel settings). Is this normal?

[Siluva]

引用自 crunchyfrog：

Not at all - people are different, This is basic biology.

Some people don't detect it the same - others do.

I could quite literally devise a handful of tests for YOU and cover things like framerate, reaction time, logcal response, audio sensitivity, freuqnecy sensitivity and so on, and I bet there would be a couple of things you do well at and a couple you do poorly at.

Literally what I've said, a "you" problem.
That's not because you can't spot the difference that it doesn't exist.

[🍋 Lemonfed 🍋]

sometime I cap a game at 30 fps because my computer is not able to keep a steady 60 fps , when frames are dropped because of a bottleneck at a cpu level it's introduce struttering or affect the frame pacing so bad the game will look and feel worst.

don't let your game framerates uncapped if the game is bottleneckling at a cpu level , never ever do let it bottlneck your cpu because of too many frames , the paces of the frames will always suffer if the graphic cards has to wait after the cpu. (I don't mean occasional CPU bottleneck by the way , I mean frequent bottleneck)

[🍇🍉🍋‍🟩🍒🍟🍔]

a game is experienced at its best at the highest hz to framerate you can afford 60 fps feels like the stone age. 144hz feels abit better 240 is the sweet spot i personally only have experienced 240hz. But i can easily notice the difference between 240hz and 165hz anybody that says there is no point in pushing past 60fps. Is straight up blind or have never experienced this amazing innovation i have 0 doubt 360 would cause the same effect 480hz probably feels even better. xd

[Meove]

you can find these people in csgo community. if you send video or screenshot of your gameplay, instead of astonish with your awesome gameplay they will complain about your FPS and label you as Silver if your FPS below 70