What does it mean to be a "pacifist"?

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I'm curious what others think on this topic. I've heard that if you're simply not violent and don't believe in violence that you're a pacifist, but how does that actually live out in practice? What ideals would you need to realistically have to be considered genuinely a "pacifist"? Can you make the mistake of hitting a person if you're not otherwise violent a majority of the time, if it's for a seemingly justified reason, like standing up for another person who is being victimized and doesn't deserve the treatment they're getting? Can a person still be a pacifist if they lose emotional control and make a mistake, but make up for it after? Would them advocating against violence even if they made that mistake, the mistake of hitting a person, make them not a pacifist, or could they still be such?

And what about verbal hatred? Obviously racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, etc.. would be obvious examples of things that aren't pacifist, but if a person is simply hateful in a verbal manner, without being obviously hateful in those ways, can they still be a pacifist? If they aren't even obviously hateful, as in they don't say the N word or advocate for hurting gay people, but then in a personal situation they argued that a person deserved to be hurt, even emotionally, for a more seemingly moral reason, like supporting someone who humiliates others and hurts them in that way, maybe by being just excessively and relentlessly overly truthful to the point of hurting them all the time, in front of a group, can a person still be a pacifist in that circumstance? Or would abusing or supporting an abuser in that context make them not a pacifist? Do you consider that mild?

What about victims of physical abuse? If they were otherwise non-violent and advocated for political views that were inherently not hateful, if they were then in an abusive relationship and came out the other side completely changing because of the abuse, but still barely hanging onto old ideals of non-hatefulness and opposition to violence, trying very hard to restrain themselves despite their emotional trauma and the issues they received from the abuse, could they still come out the otherside, in your view, being a pacifist? Or would they just not be such anymore even if their situation makes it forgivable? Would it be forgivable?

What world views or political views would a person need to have to be factually considered a "pacifist"? Could a person naively or foolishly contradict this and still be a pacifist?

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Who is morgan fairchild. never heard of here let me google it.

Old joke. You must be a noob. :)

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Postat inițial de SnakeFist:

Who is morgan fairchild. never heard of here let me google it.

Old joke. You must be a noob. :)

No i'm not i just don't follow childish stuff like me me's.

Yes it came up in the google search. Reason i never heard of her is because her movies are not very good movies.

[Dracoco OwO]

Postat inițial de crunchyfrog:

Pacifism is pretty clear in definition.

What it means for a person to BE pacifist depends on the person and their definition.

THat's it.

So say i claim i'm a pacifist and kill everyone on sight for no reason and say it's my definition of pacifism, that there is no one alive so they can't fight, is it still pacifism or extreme dementia leading to mass genocide?

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Postat inițial de Out Of Bubblegum:

Old joke. You must be a noob. :)

No i'm not i just don't follow childish stuff like me me's.

You have said a whole lot of childish nonsense in just a few posts. 12 year old like typing detected.

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No i'm not i just don't follow childish stuff like me me's.

You have said a whole lot of childish nonsense in just a few posts. 12 year old like typing detected.

Whatever dude/dudette. I'm way older then you since you find me me's funny like a 5 year old does.

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Give me a few minutes i'll scan and upload my birth/marriage certificate my ssn number card my car registration card and my credit card bills to show you my age.

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Postat inițial de SnakeFist:

Give me a few minutes i'll scan and upload my birth/marriage certificate my ssn number card my car registration card and my credit card bills to show you my age.

Naw. Just say where you were when ...

But you already proved that you were not around when MF was in her prime. Or when SNL was in it's prime So, you are not old. Just BSing.

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Give me a few minutes i'll scan and upload my birth/marriage certificate my ssn number card my car registration card and my credit card bills to show you my age.

Naw. Just say where you were when ...

But you already proved that you were not around when MF was in her prime. Or when SNL was in it's prime So, you are not old. Just BSing.

I thought snl was a borefest. And i was born in the 70's. Here is my SSN:

You want proof i'm not young well look up my ssn number and find out everything you want to know.

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I thought snl was a borefest. And i was born in the 70's. Here is my SSN:

I really really hope that is not your real number. That is beyond stupid to do. Born in the 70's. Only 50. Not even retired yet. Not old. But you still sound like you have the maturity of a 12 year old.

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I thought snl was a borefest. And i was born in the 70's. Here is my SSN:

I really really hope that is not your real number. That is beyond stupid to do. Born in the 70's. Only 50. Not even retired yet. Not old. But you still sound like you have the maturity of a 12 year old.

Whatever dude/dudette. I'm more mature then you since i don't follow childish stuff like me me's.And no that isn't a real ssn number i'm not that stupid.

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What are you even talking about? What "fantasty"?

The fantasy that guns are needed for "protection". They must be carried everywhere at all times. There are 7858563574e8567474 armed break-ins per year.
Reality: An armed intruder breaks into your house. A 0.0001% chance per lifetime. You are on the computer and your gun is in the bedroom. It is of no use and will be stolen from you.

One of mine is next to the computer.

Guns aren't needed for protection but they can help.

What would you use to defend yourself if someone tried to kick your door in?

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Postat inițial de crunchyfrog:

Pacifism is pretty clear in definition.

What it means for a person to BE pacifist depends on the person and their definition.

THat's it.

So say i claim i'm a pacifist and kill everyone on sight for no reason and say it's my definition of pacifism, that there is no one alive so they can't fight, is it still pacifism or extreme dementia leading to mass genocide?

That's not even remotely what I eamt and you know it.

No I emant that you do not need to be PERFECTLY pacifist. You could be a pacifist and be in the army for example. You mgith not actually get to kill anyone, or you might.

YOu could be a security guard and be pacifist, but have no issue belting someone if it stops someone else getting punched.

The thing is life is built with ♥♥♥♥♥ loads of edge cases and grey areas.

They're STILL pacifist.

[Dracoco OwO]

Postat inițial de crunchyfrog:

Postat inițial de Dracoco OwO:

So say i claim i'm a pacifist and kill everyone on sight for no reason and say it's my definition of pacifism, that there is no one alive so they can't fight, is it still pacifism or extreme dementia leading to mass genocide?

That's not even remotely what I eamt and you know it.

No I emant that you do not need to be PERFECTLY pacifist. You could be a pacifist and be in the army for example. You mgith not actually get to kill anyone, or you might.

YOu could be a security guard and be pacifist, but have no issue belting someone if it stops someone else getting punched.

The thing is life is built with ♥♥♥♥♥ loads of edge cases and grey areas.

They're STILL pacifist.

Yeah i was just going with an extreme case. But yeah i see better what you mean too.

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Postat inițial de Out Of Bubblegum:

The fantasy that guns are needed for "protection". They must be carried everywhere at all times. There are 7858563574e8567474 armed break-ins per year.
Reality: An armed intruder breaks into your house. A 0.0001% chance per lifetime. You are on the computer and your gun is in the bedroom. It is of no use and will be stolen from you.

One of mine is next to the computer.
Guns aren't needed for protection but they can help.
What would you use to defend yourself if someone tried to kick your door in?

Why would I? I can just leave. I do not have your 2A bloodlust. You are much much more likely to have something bad happen because you do that. Partners shoot each other in arguments just because the gun is too available. A kid shoots another one just because the gun is too available. An intruder gets the gun and steals it or uses it one you. Those things happen way way way more than you actually defend yourself. Like I said above, what about when you are in the bathroom, kitchen, yard, sleeping? The odds are stacked against you. But you NEED to have it. Ever wonder the real reason why?

[crunchyfrog]

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Postat inițial de crunchyfrog:

That's not even remotely what I eamt and you know it.

No I emant that you do not need to be PERFECTLY pacifist. You could be a pacifist and be in the army for example. You mgith not actually get to kill anyone, or you might.

YOu could be a security guard and be pacifist, but have no issue belting someone if it stops someone else getting punched.

The thing is life is built with ♥♥♥♥♥ loads of edge cases and grey areas.

They're STILL pacifist.

Yeah i was just going with an extreme case. But yeah i see better what you mean too.

No problem.