Do you believe in aliens? 👽

[Mongoose]

what has you convinced or skeptical?

[ASONEQ]

no.

[[drunk] 2021 Giant Stance]

No. Unless I see some proof

[Leto]

Would be bad luck if there aren't any out there.

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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Zo:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από stupid(t)=e^t:

that's not a good comparison
mainly because if you live in a house, you've usually explored just about all of it, whereas we are only beginning to truly explore one or two planets ahead

the probability that a monkey with a typewriter types out something coherent by chance is astronomically small
but given an astronomically large amount of moneys and an astronomically large amount of time, it's perfectly possible that such an event could happen


there's even a mathematical proof if you're interested

Sure would love to see the math 🤓 I'm aware of the monkey typewrite analogy but, as far as I understand it, it has a fundamental flaw in calculating of probabilities. The more variables you add the less likely it is to be the case.

Another way of thinking about it is that more chaos does not produce more order 😄

well, it's a simple matter of probability

for starters, we need to know that, if we have two events a and b, the probability of both happening at the same time is a * b
and if we want to know the probability that a doesn't happen, since probability exists in a range from 0 through 1 (1 corresponding to 100%, and 0 being very obvious), we simply have to calculate 1-a

now that that's clear, let's suppose a number h is the probability that a planet holds the properties necessary for carbon-based life, with h∈[0, 1] (h exists in the interval from 0 through 1)
to ask the probability that any of multiple planets complies with h, we need to ask the probability that h doesn't happen in any planets
given a number of planets n, the chance that h doesn't happen in any of them is (1-h)^n

now, we know h ≠ 0, since our planet is blooming with life, and we know h ≠ 1, since many other planets aren't, so h∈(0,1)
then, we can also see that 1-h also exists between 0 and 1, because we're always subtracting something, but never enough to arrive at zero
i wouldn't take the limit, as we can't work off of the assumption of infinite planets, but it is noteworthy that raising any number between 0 and 1 to bigger and bigger powers makes the result smaller and smaller, approaching 0 the bigger the power gets

so yes, with enough planets, the chance of life becomes more likely

and this is only considering carbon-based life– if other ways for life to exist were theorized, those would increase the chances that some planet holds some kind of life

[MEGA MAN]

if everything is macro/ microcosmos, then we seem to be in an alien or plant or something else, while they are living in us already and so on, like a fractal.

[RRW359]

-Does life exist elsewhere? Almost certainly.
-Is any at our level of intelligence? Probably but it may be hard to recognize at first because of how different it might be.
-Do they have any reason to visit some nameless planet in a relatively bland part of the outer edge of the galaxy with no unique resources to speak of? Probably not.

[crunchyfrog]

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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από crunchyfrog:

Nope. no good evidence for this.

I do the odd bit of astronomy (more in the past as I can't do cold now). I've seen a UFO before now.

So wait, what?

Here's the thing - yes, I've seen a UFO so what does that mean? Only that I've seen something I can't explain. I CANNOT say any more than that.

You cannot make the leap to "aliens" or anything else because it is by defintion unidentified.

When we have evidence that aliens exist, then i'll take notice. but not before.

Thoughts?

”The Pentagon Has Reportedly Found ‘Off-World Vehicles Not Made on This Earth’”

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/07/ufo-report-pentagon-has-off-world-vehicles-not-from-earth.html

It's bollocks. That's my thought.

Until better evidence shows this, it ain't even wroth considering.

Remember, you NEVER have to make a decision one way or the other. The default of "I don't know" is a RIGHT answer.

[Ailes]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από crunchyfrog:

Nope. no good evidence for this.

I do the odd bit of astronomy (more in the past as I can't do cold now). I've seen a UFO before now.

So wait, what?

Here's the thing - yes, I've seen a UFO so what does that mean? Only that I've seen something I can't explain. I CANNOT say any more than that.

You cannot make the leap to "aliens" or anything else because it is by defintion unidentified.

When we have evidence that aliens exist, then i'll take notice. but not before.

That's a little bit besides the point, the definition of UFO. Most people who are talking about UFOs almost always include the afterthought of it being alien, or will say explicitly otherwise.

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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Ailes:

Also, who is to say that alien life knows no inner conflict and wars themselves? I find it a needless misanthropic assumption that people make when they claim that only our species would do that.
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and now youre doing the same thing.

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But I would expect from intelligent alien life to kinda find an explanation for that without having to visit us kinda face-to-face. They have their own high technology yet need to expose themselves to us, in our skies, by... I don't know, looking more directly at things? Wouldn't they have... like, telescopes or something on their own?

youre assuming aliens dont run into problems on their spaceships.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DOUvyAp4MI
and not everything always goes according to plan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtXFPYVCSfk

I'm not sure I get you. I never said aliens were perfect or couldn't run into problems. I was answering to alien sightings supposedly spiking the moment we were utilizing nuclear power, that those aliens might have been investigating what we were up to.

Which could be the case. But if that were the case (and if they weren't having problems with their spaceships) then they could have probably taken a look at things here from greater distance. Because why should they risk getting spotted by us (because if they exist they clearly are trying not to be too obvious about letting us know about them) when they should have the technology to just use a telescope or other remote devices to investigate us and our planet? You think only humans could come up with the idea for such devices?

And if they have had issues with their spacecrafts then I would assume examining us dabbling in nuclear power should be a secondary priority to them, at least to the personnel flying these. Or would you make it a priority to examine an alien race bombing it's own planet if you flew over to them and had technical problems with your own spacecraft?

[crunchyfrog]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Ailes:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από crunchyfrog:

Nope. no good evidence for this.

I do the odd bit of astronomy (more in the past as I can't do cold now). I've seen a UFO before now.

So wait, what?

Here's the thing - yes, I've seen a UFO so what does that mean? Only that I've seen something I can't explain. I CANNOT say any more than that.

You cannot make the leap to "aliens" or anything else because it is by defintion unidentified.

When we have evidence that aliens exist, then i'll take notice. but not before.

That's a little bit besides the point, the definition of UFO. Most people who are talking about UFOs almost always include the afterthought of it being alien, or will say explicitly otherwise.

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Grand Ayatrollah:

and now youre doing the same thing.
youre assuming aliens dont run into problems on their spaceships.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DOUvyAp4MI
and not everything always goes according to plan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtXFPYVCSfk

I'm not sure what you mean. I never said aliens were perfect or couldn't run into problems. I was answering to alien sightings supposedly spiking the moment we were utilizing nuclear power, that those aliens might have been investigating what we were up to. Which could be the case. But if that were the case (and if they weren't having problems with their spaceships) then they could have probably taken a look at things here from greater distance. If they have had issues with their spacecrafts then I would assume examining us dabbling in nuclear power should be a secondary priority to them, at least to the personnel flying these. Or would you make it a priority to examine an alien race bombing it's own planet if you flew over to them and had technical problems with your own spacecraft?

Oh Ok then. Let me elaborate then.

I don't ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ care what most people do. I only care about fact frankly.

And UFOs are just that unidentified.

Anything more tahn that has insufficuent evidence.

That's it.

When that bridge ios crossed, then we'll talk and not until./ That's the point.

What they PROBABLY did is also moot. I don't care about hypothetics. When someone sees a UFO like myself, it ends at unidentified.Anything more is just illogical.

[Ailes]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από crunchyfrog:

[...] I don't ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ care what most people do. I only care about fact frankly.

And UFOs are just that unidentified.

Anything more tahn that has insufficuent evidence.

That's it.

When that bridge ios crossed, then we'll talk and not until./ That's the point.

What they PROBABLY did is also moot. I don't care about hypothetics. When someone sees a UFO like myself, it ends at unidentified.Anything more is just illogical.

Whatever you prefer. In times where ordinary people have access to all kinds of drones/aerial vehicles it's likely all the harder to believe any of it. I assume Photoshop and the likes have gotten only better too. So unless some alien beams right into my home and speaks to me via telepathy in gibberish I will probably find it very hard to believe too.

[Marteun]

not really beliving it

[Lora Grim]

Kharak is burning...

[Ailes]

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Kharak is burning...

I really wish I had the patience to get into Homeworld properly, because it seems to have some very epic moments. Deserts of Kharak I actually played and finished, it was cool enough. But real-time strategy isn't my genre, despite me having grown up with Dune, Command & Conquer, KKND, Starcraft and a few others.

[hsf_]

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But life isn't just a person... You go into any room in your house and there will be an unfathomable number of bacteria. There will also likely be some insects, parasites or other common household pests.

My personal belief is that simple life such as single celled organisms are massively common. With complex life such as animals being less common, then finally intelligence being rare.

I think that intelligence is a recent thing, within the last few hundred million years, at least in this galaxy. I personally believe that the Human race is part of a first generation of intelligent life in the universe, I don't think we were the first or the most advanced but I do think many more will come after us.

I hear ya 😄The issue is that even a single cell is as complex as a metropolitan city. The flagellum of a bacteria is an example of this which is practically contains a motor which includes a rod (drive shaft), a hook (universal joint), L- and P-rings (bushings/bearings), S- and M-rings (rotor), and a C-ring and stud (stator).

The fact that there is life on earth but not on other planets is a problem for ideas about abiogenesis 😢and therefore a probelm for extraterrestrial aliens.

If life on earth originated out of a hostile environment then we should see life on every planet with unique organisms adapting to their conditions.

That is why adding more planets or systems to the mix will not increase the probability of finding life, it does not resolve the issues of abiogenesis 😟

Well part of the problem is that we simply don't have the technology to discover microbial life with just telescopes. We need to actually go there and we've only landed on 3(afaik) other bodies which aren't the Earth. We've landed on the Moon, Mars and that comet which the Rosetta spacecraft landed on.

Personally I think we'll find microbial life on Mars eventually, probably in the under ground lakes. This would go for any Ice moons like Europa or Enceladus too. I don't think we'll find anything more than bacteria in my lifetime, perhaps for hundreds of years yet.

[Lora Grim]

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KKND

Oh god. I wish there was a remaster of THAT. I played it a lot as a kid. I tried replaying it again recently on GoG.. but i cannot get over how awful the AI is, lol.