What Are Your Thoughts on the Current Lack of Passion Behind Games?

[Lex]

Recently there have been stunning game releases (although slowed down) with the latest technology offers. However, there are far more terrible games coming out, games that lie to consumers and games that are a disappointment. This is usually due to how business has replaced passion in development teams and studios, especially larger companies. Even 'innovative' games at the moment lack the feeling of passion and care that you could feel during older titles, often being mixed ideas of previous games with similar stories and no difference except for the names of things. What are your thoughts on how sad gaming has been feeling recently (covid aside)? What games have you played that you feel had the most passion and best design? Should laws be enforced more in the gaming industry when consumers get tricked out of their money in a major way (cyberpunk, lootboxes, p2w, edited gameplay trailers etc)?

[Γαῖα]

Video games are how old now OP.

The industry sadly turned a corner around a decade ago and joined many other industries in the age old art of making a few innovations, a few tweaks to an otherwise familiar concept.
With that said though the well hasnt run dry and every year we still receive a few twists in the saga to keep us mostly all interested.

I think passion is still very much alive in areas but you must realise for many its just a career they clock in and out of everyday just like any other profession. Gone or at least for now is the drive of a new frontier of possibilities.

[AdahnGorion]

Автор сообщения: Quint the Alligator Snapper

Автор сообщения: Darkie

Early in this century. Just around the time more people from various regions started to get on the internet as well.

I guess it depends on what we call "mainstream" and what definion have for "gaming" back in the 80´s the c64 was not popular enough to call it "mainstream gaming" not even when more modern machines or even console released.

Today just about anyone "game" on a device. that was not the case in 85´ (to make a random example)

But how does the expansion of who can play games contribute to "the lack of passion behind games"?

The point is that it does not contribute to it, but rather that some people are biased towards something else, thus things these new things are "lacking passion"

You see the same with many other luxury goods or even more so entertainment.. "Why does modern movies lack passion" "Why does modern music lack passion" "Why do dishwashers only last 3 years now, do they lack passion"

Whatever..

[🍋 Lemonfed 🍋]

there are still modern games and music made with with ''passion''.

games made with passion are just not likely be the big AAA games made with next gen graphics that some peoples craves for.

I mean ... stardew valley , now that is a game I've heard that was made with passion by only one person. It's also a great game by the way if you like pixel art graphics.

[Radene]

Автор сообщения: Darkie

Автор сообщения: Quint the Alligator Snapper

But how does the expansion of who can play games contribute to "the lack of passion behind games"?

The point is that it does not contribute to it, but rather that some people are biased towards something else, thus things these new things are "lacking passion"

You see the same with many other luxury goods or even more so entertainment.. "Why does modern movies lack passion" "Why does modern music lack passion" "Why do dishwashers only last 3 years now, do they lack passion"

Whatever..

And the answer is inevitably - "because of who's buying this stuff".

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

Автор сообщения: Radene

Автор сообщения: Darkie

The point is that it does not contribute to it, but rather that some people are biased towards something else, thus things these new things are "lacking passion"

You see the same with many other luxury goods or even more so entertainment.. "Why does modern movies lack passion" "Why does modern music lack passion" "Why do dishwashers only last 3 years now, do they lack passion"

Whatever..

And the answer is inevitably - "because of who's buying this stuff".

Well I can understand "there are new people who don't appreciate the art", but the thing is that (1) it's not the new people who complain about the art "lacking passion", it's the longtime folks who say that, and (2) "lacking passion" is about the creators rather than the audience.

[AdahnGorion]

Автор сообщения: Lemonfed

there are still modern games and music made with with ''passion''.

games made with passion are just not likely be the big AAA games made with next gen graphics that some peoples craves for.

I mean ... stardew valley , now that is a game I've heard that was made with passion by only one person. It's also a great game by the way if you like pixel art graphics.

The point is not about modern or not, but people and their bias

[Radene]

Автор сообщения: Quint the Alligator Snapper

Автор сообщения: Radene

And the answer is inevitably - "because of who's buying this stuff".

Well I can understand "there are new people who don't appreciate the art", but the thing is that (1) it's not the new people who complain about the art "lacking passion", it's the longtime folks who say that, and (2) "lacking passion" is about the creators rather than the audience.

1) At this point, almost everyone is "longtime folks", video gaming has been a major industry for a while now.
2) "Creators" don't exist in a vacuum, and most of them always only want to sell something. And they will "create" what people want to buy.

In a twist, I'll also say that if as a creator you're doing something out of "passion", you should not care about your audience at all, since you're doing it for yourself first, anyway.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

Автор сообщения: Radene

In a twist, I'll also say that if as a creator you're doing something out of "passion", you should not care about your audience at all, since you're doing it for yourself first, anyway.

Good point.

[Candyy]

I dont rly think there is a lack of passion but rather ppl expecting too many things from them

But at the end of the day what matters is the result of the work right?

[Varsik]

Автор сообщения: Lemonfed

I hate lootboxes in gaming ... freaking virtual casino boxes that tend to prey on the players.

EA call them ''surprise mechanics'' and I'm starting to believe it's true that Electronic arts is eeevil. :cocochan2:

Valve are no better in this crap with Team fortress 2 and Csgo and they even have a market that encourage players to spend in hope they might strike a triple 777 and get an Item they can resell for a good ammount of money.

Then just dont buy microtransactions duhh

At least on valve games its just pure cosmetic, you can play everything without even paying a single euro ,but on EA its not only cosmetics but also content (maps, guns, etc etc) ,and there is when problems begin, but well EA always goes too far

Nobody is encouraging to buy anything, specially when its well known the possibility of getting x item (becuase of some chinese law if i remember) ,neither EA or valve...

[Varsik]

Автор сообщения: Radene

Gamers: *constantly complaining, wanting free stuff, having unrealistic expectations, wishing real harm upon people who made games they personally dislike, throwing fits over trivial issues, stirring up social media ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ against developers, and so on and so forth...*

Also gamers: "WhERe hAs AlL thE paSSioN gOnE?"

Truueeee

Specially the unrealistic expectations...

But i rly doubt ppl rly want a real harm upon ppl who made games they dont like, they are only saying that becuase the internet is anonymous so there is no consequences for that action

[🍋 Lemonfed 🍋]

Автор сообщения: LEhA009

Автор сообщения: Lemonfed

I hate lootboxes in gaming ... freaking virtual casino boxes that tend to prey on the players.

EA call them ''surprise mechanics'' and I'm starting to believe it's true that Electronic arts is eeevil.

Valve are no better in this crap with Team fortress 2 and Csgo and they even have a market that encourage players to spend in hope they might strike a triple 777 and get an Item they can resell for a good ammount of money.

Then just dont buy microtransactions duhh

At least on valve games its just pure cosmetic, you can play everything without even paying a single euro ,but on EA its not only cosmetics but also content (maps, guns, etc etc) ,and there is when problems begin, but well EA always goes too far

Nobody is encouraging to buy anything, specially when its well known the possibility of getting x item (becuase of some chinese law if i remember) ,neither EA or valve...

I don't buy them but I still criticize them for what they are , crap that should not even be there in the first place.

Random paid lootboxes are a terrible practice in games and it's more then just ''don't buy them if you don't like them duhh'' kind of problems in my opinion.

[Varsik]

Автор сообщения: Lemonfed

Автор сообщения: LEhA009

Then just dont buy microtransactions duhh

At least on valve games its just pure cosmetic, you can play everything without even paying a single euro ,but on EA its not only cosmetics but also content (maps, guns, etc etc) ,and there is when problems begin, but well EA always goes too far

Nobody is encouraging to buy anything, specially when its well known the possibility of getting x item (becuase of some chinese law if i remember) ,neither EA or valve...

I don't buy them but I still criticize them for what they are , crap that should not even be there in the first place.

Since gaming is a business and not a charity these things should be there BUT on some circumstances:

-Cosmetics are not something rly needed (idk why some ppl act like if Its something they rly need...),so yeah, if a game is free to play ,there is nothing wrong from getting money out of that ,since its optional and doesnt affect gameplay

-But with DLCs is where problems begin ,becuase you cant access to certain content unless you pay for it which shouldnt be done becuase it affects gameplay regardless of being optional

I just honestly cant believe myself i had more fun playing pirate bf3 (you could play every map and use every gun, you only had to unlock It Cuz thats how bf work) than the origin version becuase of that , unfortunately pirate bf3 is dead, so i gotta stick to the origin version since its still alive and has ppl playing or Payday 2 that has over 40 DLCs(just to bring up some examples of bad practice when introducing microtransactions)

[Tiberius]

Greed. Why bother making a decent game when you can sell skins for the same price?

[sfnhltb]

When a game budget runs into many millions and beyond, it almost has to be safe and fairly formulaic (but not too obviously so), because too much is riding on it to allow experimentation, it is hard to have passion for sports game 20xx or the other by the numbers Franchise latest edition. And for the vast majority of the people working on it their part is so tiny (and even then sometimes still cut for the final release) it has got to be hard to be passionate about it. It is about as likely as someone that works as a retail clerk or road resurfacing to be passionate about their job day in and day out.

Only smaller projects, either back in time when one or a few developers/artists/etc. would be behind most of the best sellers, or well targeted indie and micro developers nowadays (not the ones that try to create pseudo-AAA type games with no budget, or another knock off of the latest fad, but the ones that try to hone one or two novel ideas with a laser focus on making an inventive game within the limited scope their budget/resources allows).