Is Anime A Cartoon??

[SouthernSmoke]

A discussion and message board dedicated to talking about anime, anime that's currently popular, anime that you are currently watching, and all topics surrounding anime.

(Especially whether or not Anime is considered a Cartoon, a Cartoon just with Japanese flavor.)

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[Captain Morgan]

Anime is a cartoon, that completely unlike cartoons, it can have blood/killing/gore, as well as nudity/sex. It isn't child friendly in most cases, unlike cartoon, being child friendly is the exception for it. It rarely dabbles in misconceptions, that always good triumphs or all characters are good role models. It is rarely used for propaganda, subliminal messages and political correct preaching to younger audiences. It isn't afraid to touch sensitive matters, or dark historical periods. Anime is what you see as an adult, whenever craving cartoons.

[Holding These Alligators Down]

Yeah pretty much but a lot of the best anime has violence and gore which is something the majority of Western cartoons don't have.

It's just animation man.

[Traves cot]

yes

[Zekiran]

Escrito originalmente por AustrAlien2010:

Apparently, there is a need to brand these characters, and put them under an umbrella.
There is a want to have them distinguished from cartoon characters, but am not sure why or how, and on which criteria that should be based.

You can't create criteria based on: "its from Japan", because that's not a property that is in direct relation to the work. Location can't have anything to do with it, because its not possible to see that it was made in Japan, just by looking at the piece.

Son, back in 1983 when UCSD started its JAPANIMATION CLUB, it was definitely "from Japan".

It is no longer ONLY from, but that is where the term originated. Whether that was an American invention or not, and whether it's "correct" (politically) to use that term, that's its historical origin.

You apparently have never... actually ... watched any. Because only very recently have many other non Japanese 'anime' become even remotely popular enough to break into the American or world-wide markets in the same manner as 'pick one from Japan'.

That's not saying they didn't EXIST, they certainly do, and have for many many decades. But... maybe you should try looking up history of animation and do yourself a favor, watch some.

Russian cartoons, Korean ones, Brazilian, French, there are lots and lots that look 'similar', or radically different, but... they're all cartoons. Anime = cartoons. Cartoons = anime.

[Varsik]

Yeah ofc...

What do you expected it to be?

[Xero_Daxter]

For me Anime is from Japan. Anything else is a cartoon.

[Good Night Owl]

Calling an Anime a "cartoon" is a sin in the weeb world.

[Ramonkey]

Nani?!

[Chika Ogiue]

Escrito originalmente por SouthernSmoke:

Especially whether or not Anime is considered a Cartoon

The Japanese word anime is literally derived from the English word "animation". It means exactly that. A cartoon is essentially an anime. And are called as such in Japan. Someone else mentioned The Simpsons. In Japan that is considered anime. Likewise, manga are considered comics and will be referred to as such in Japan on occasion.

Here's the intro describing The Simpsons on the Japanese wikipedia page for one example of it being called an anime. TV channels do it, too =)

ザ・シンプソンズは、FOXテレビのためにマット・グレイニングによって創作されたアメリカのコメディアニメ番組である

[AustrAlien2010]

Escrito originalmente por Zekiran:

Escrito originalmente por AustrAlien2010:

Apparently, there is a need to brand these characters, and put them under an umbrella.
There is a want to have them distinguished from cartoon characters, but am not sure why or how, and on which criteria that should be based.

You can't create criteria based on: "its from Japan", because that's not a property that is in direct relation to the work. Location can't have anything to do with it, because its not possible to see that it was made in Japan, just by looking at the piece.

Son, back in 1983 when UCSD started its JAPANIMATION CLUB, it was definitely "from Japan".

It is no longer ONLY from, but that is where the term originated. Whether that was an American invention or not, and whether it's "correct" (politically) to use that term, that's its historical origin.

You apparently have never... actually ... watched any. Because only very recently have many other non Japanese 'anime' become even remotely popular enough to break into the American or world-wide markets in the same manner as 'pick one from Japan'.

That's not saying they didn't EXIST, they certainly do, and have for many many decades. But... maybe you should try looking up history of animation and do yourself a favor, watch some.

Russian cartoons, Korean ones, Brazilian, French, there are lots and lots that look 'similar', or radically different, but... they're all cartoons. Anime = cartoons. Cartoons = anime.

I didn't know that.

Anyway, the dictionary is wrong too, because a cartoon is described as something "funny" or "with humour", according to the dictionary, while in many other languages, a cartoon is a motion picture, that doesn't have to be funny per say.

All these arguments are all the fault of the person that wrote the dictionary. He should have written a better dictionary. Because what is considered humour is dependant on the opinion of the writer, and opinions should have no place in a dictionary, because language should be an exact science, as are the other sciences.

I will fix the English language, starting with their dictionaries, which are the cause of all these misunderstandings.

[Blackpot]

Escrito originalmente por Out Of Bubblegum:

Escrito originalmente por Blackpot:

Anime is the animated version of Manga, a popular cartoon genre from Japan. Its now world-wide known and beloved by many people, not only childrens. As a content for adults, called Hentai.

So? "Fritz the Cat" is a cartoon movie and very adult.

Yes, but the adult Manga is the Hentai from Japan. Never heard about Fritz tho, thanks for the headsup

[Naruto 607]

To me, typically yes. It's an animation, has cartoony effects like old school cartoons I watched, just... it's Japan-oriented.

Though I can't blame animations that aren't Japanese-made are animes. I once watched a McDonalds ad on YouTube or somewhere on local TV that displayed nearly like Japanese "cartoon" or anime. It's Indonesian, but definitely resembles as close as I watch Boruto on my weekly basis.

[F]

yeah

[Zekiran]

Escrito originalmente por AustrAlien2010:

I will fix the English language, starting with their dictionaries, which are the cause of all these misunderstandings.

I have a collection of dictionaries dating from like, the mid-1910s to about 30 years ago. They will vary *considerably*.

They're not rule books, they're record books. Definitions change.

And yeah Fritz was a cartoon and was very, very not 'for kids' :D

[crunchyfrog]

Seriously though, it's this. It IS cartoon.

This is one of those problems with language. Some words are specific AND umbrella terms at the same time.

Consider the word "bleach". That word quite literally means a chemical or thing that bleaches the colour or pigment out of an item or material. It covers ALL bleaches, from household bleach, to hydrogen peroxide and so on.

Yet it is also the shorthand naem for just household bleach, largely ecause it's the most common tot the public and that's how language works.


So anime (meaning "animation") absolute IS a cartoon, by strict deifintion.

However it depends on how you use the word. If you're talking in a convedrsation where you're being specific and detailed about CERTAIN TYPES of animation then being precise about JUST anime and using that term is correct, rather than the umbrella term, much the same as if I was talking about cleaning some bromide out ofplastics and I start just using the word bleach. It wouldn't be helpful.

Plus, any gatekeepers who use the fallacy of "but that's not REAL anime" can ♥♥♥♥ off. They're just illogical idiots.