Nihilism

[Falco]

Opinions?

[AdahnGorion]

Diposting pertama kali oleh saranacX:

Diposting pertama kali oleh chewbachman:

Well there is no God.

Bold claim to knowledge.

So... Aquinas, Nietzsche and Camus all go to the local pub... once inside, Aquinas says that he will have some wine, because that is the gift of god. Nietzsche screams that god is dead and that Aquinas killed him, then orders a German weissbier. Camus then walks up to both of them, laughs and then drinks both the wine and beer.

[刘鹏辉 15947033800]

if Nihilism,falls into the traps of sarcasm, and be caught red handed doing it, he is ♥♥♥♥♥♥

[Vectif]

aside from biological things; Life intrinsically has no meaning. You have to give it your own meaning or attach yourself onto something to provide it for you. Like the Shopping Cart Theory proposes; I believe one should be good and do things / be creative / productive for the sake of it and nothing else; not because of personal gain nor fear of punishment - that's like being a trained dog. That's the meaning of life for me; giving it your own. Find your passions and hobbies, and then create. Do good for the sake of it. But intrinscally, no, unless you give it meaning, life doesn't come with any. Is that nihilism? Maybe existentialism? Doesn't matter! Live.

[chewbachman]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Holografix:

Diposting pertama kali oleh chewbachman:

We are creatures with pleasures and desires, deep love and deep hate. I am not saying every nihilist is going to go right out and torture a puppy, but I am saying that to a nihilist... life is cheap. And to say that the value of a human life is worth any more than that dog, or ant, or black bird is to ascribe to the morals that nihilism seeks to prove is worthless. THAT is what scares me.

This is an incorrect and deeply flawed understanding of nihilism. One of most profound thinkers of the ideology, Nietzsche, was so overcome by empathy and sadness when he witnessed a horse being beaten, that he ran to embrace the horse.

I really suggest you do a little more research than Merriam when trying to understand a complex ideology.

I mentioned linking a more scholarly article. So I guess I will. Here is a link from the Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy. Contribution is by invitation and contributors are recognized and leading international specialists. It is a peer reviewed publication. Read if you like.

https://iep.utm.edu/nihilism/

[刘鹏辉 15947033800]

enough.

[chewbachman]

I don't see how one can have this belief as their predominant philosophy and be healthy. I suggest more research on your side as well (to Holo) and maybe consider Existentialism (still not my bag but a much better alternative).

One excerpt from https://iep.utm.edu/nihilism/ :

"Nihilism is the belief that all values are baseless and that nothing can be known or communicated. It is often associated with extreme pessimism and a radical skepticism that condemns existence. A true nihilist would believe in nothing, have no loyalties, and no purpose other than, perhaps, an impulse to destroy. While few philosophers would claim to be nihilists, nihilism is most often associated with Friedrich Nietzsche who argued that its corrosive effects would eventually destroy all moral, religious, and metaphysical convictions and precipitate the greatest crisis in human history. In the 20th century, nihilistic themes–epistemological failure, value destruction, and cosmic purposelessness–have preoccupied artists, social critics, and philosophers."

Skipping a bit:

"Among philosophers, Friedrich Nietzsche is most often associated with nihilism. For Nietzsche, there is no objective order or structure in the world except what we give it. Penetrating the façades buttressing convictions, the nihilist discovers that all values are baseless and that reason is impotent. “Every belief, every considering something-true,” Nietzsche writes, “is necessarily false because there is simply no true world” (Will to Power [notes from 1883-1888]). For him, nihilism requires a radical repudiation of all imposed values and meaning: “Nihilism is . . . not only the belief that everything deserves to perish; but one actually puts one’s shoulder to the plough; one destroys” (Will to Power)."

[chewbachman]

Camus was fully aware of the pitfalls of defining existence without meaning, and in his philosophical essay The Rebel (1951) he faces the problem of nihilism head-on. In it, he describes at length how metaphysical collapse often ends in total negation and the victory of nihilism, characterized by profound hatred, pathological destruction, and incalculable violence and death.

I think most of you who proclaim yourself a Nihilist are Existentialists not Nihilists

[AdahnGorion]

Diposting pertama kali oleh 刘鹏辉 15947033800:

we should spread apathicism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlcaAVUF1uU

[Holografix]

Diposting pertama kali oleh chewbachman:

I mentioned linking a more scholarly article. So I guess I will. Here is a link from the Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy. Contribution is by invitation and contributors are recognized and leading international specialists. It is a peer reviewed publication. Read if you like.

https://iep.utm.edu/nihilism/

This is a good primer. It's cursory, not an examination of nihilism but an overview and it has good references and good scholarly name-drops (Lyotard, Rorty, Carr).

I am aware that you have me at a bit of a disadvantage, as I am, to some degree, defending or making positive arguments about Nihilism. A monstrous task, indeed.

Diposting pertama kali oleh chewbachman:

I don't see how one can have this belief as their predominant philosophy and be healthy. I suggest more research on your side as well (to Holo) and maybe consider Existentialism (still not my bag but a much better alternative).

True, nihilism is a difficult belief to hold as it is corrosive like acid. But it is necessary to some some degree. Nihilism is a product of great thinking, of confronting frightening problems in language, communication, and meaning. I did notice that the quotes you posted mentioned that Nihilism tends towards destruction, or to hatred. I believe it is always described that way because since it refuses meaning, it acts as an acid upon the world.

Perhaps a container for this acid has yet to be created. Or maybe Nihilism is only ever supposed to be a limit-event, like a heat mirage at the horizon of the desert. Something visible, yet unreachable. From the posts I've read of yours, it seems like Nihilism only appears at the limit of your ideas. Something looming, but not actually present.

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stomach is a nice analogy for it.

[Holografix]

Diposting pertama kali oleh ////:

stomach is a nice analogy for it.

Yeah, that is a good analogy. In other words, do you have the stomach for it?

[Messy]

Its a mechanism for the lazy, heavily indecisive weakminded

[L1qu1dator]

These aggressive responses are quite entertaining ngl.

[patch.macho.2007]

Nihilism is the "im not like other girls" of beliefs

[crunchyfrog]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Holografix:

Diposting pertama kali oleh crunchyfrog:

Nihilism is pretty dumb and pointless frankly.

It can be that you're actually suffering depression and should get that treated.

But generally, the negative opinion about life in total is a bloody stupid idea simply because you get ONE life. One chance to run through and use that time, so why wouldn't you want to do things to the best you can?

Nihilism isn't necessarily pessimistic, but it can lead to it.
A favorite quote of mine is:
"There is no other world. Nor even this one. What, then, is there? The inner smile provoked in us by the patent nonexistence of both.
-- Emile M. Cioran

I know that, but I was tackling that aspect of it.