Going vegan

[Natural Love]

Anyone here thought about to become a vegan?Or do you think meat will never leave your plate.There are plenty of reason to become one but there are also a lot of downsides

[Dracoco OwO]

Escrito originalmente por Gus the Crocodile:

Escrito originalmente por Dracoco OwO:

Yeah that's why we have meat, vegetables, honey, whatever you can imagine in case we can't have access to one food source, just use another for the time being, that's like how the world work.

So, uh: what about grass? What was that comment about?

No like cows and goats eat grass, that was litteraly it. You could think of them processing it so that we can eat them, it's another food income in a way, with the milk they produce too.

[Gus the Crocodile]

That's nice in a different scenario where the land is fertile, sure.

[Dracoco OwO]

Escrito originalmente por Gus the Crocodile:

That's nice in a different scenario where the land is fertile, sure.

In places like Mongolia it's a must have for sure.

[🍋 Lemonfed 🍋]

In place like here the harverst season is short but there are huge fields that grow grass and allow farmers to stock on it to feed the livestock during winter.

back when I lived on a farm most field had a lot's of those giants hay ball all around untill very late in summer.

I don't know much about other places and things probably changed but back in the old days farms here use to primary feed the cows with grass.

I remember the old peoples who used to tell us that in their time fruits where hard to get and they only got things like Orange and Banana like once or maybe twice a year.

[Sir Dookface McFerretballs]

Escrito originalmente por Holografix:

Escrito originalmente por Sir Dookface McFerretballs:

Humans are omnivores. It isn't a "social" thing.

Also do you not think forests are cut down for the amount of land needed to grow vegetables too?

Do you not think fruits and vegetables are also part of a multi-billion dollar food enterprise?

Lets not forget GMOs and pesticides.

I did mention that the meat eating public are hostile to change, right?

QED.

That's kinda sad you don't want to answer what I asked.

You need to try better than just deflection or cognitive dissonance.

[Holografix]

Escrito originalmente por Sir Dookface McFerretballs:

Escrito originalmente por Holografix:

I did mention that the meat eating public are hostile to change, right?

QED.

That's kinda sad you don't want to answer what I asked.

You need to try better than just deflection or cognitive dissonance.

i don't answer because you're not trying to have a discussion. you are just baiting with those questions.

[Captain n00by]

Escrito originalmente por 🌈Cloud Boy🌈:

If you are going vegan, at least eat eggs for the protein. Egg is good, it's neither meat nor fish. Also eat plenty of vegetables and fruits along with milk / milk products, rice and breads. Okay.

Egg is undeveloped bird (or some other animal species), chicken lay them daily, so yeah, a fresh egg is like free food, especially if it's unimpregnated.

Fish are very much meat and very much feel pain btw, it's some myth that they don't, but it was a means to justify fish capture and consumption. ("even Jesus ate fish", "fish aren't meat", "fish don't feel pain", etc)

Actually, fish's central nervous system is quite similar to ours.

[Dracoco OwO]

Escrito originalmente por n00by:

Escrito originalmente por 🌈Cloud Boy🌈:

If you are going vegan, at least eat eggs for the protein. Egg is good, it's neither meat nor fish. Also eat plenty of vegetables and fruits along with milk / milk products, rice and breads. Okay.

Egg is undeveloped bird (or some other animal species), chicken lay them daily, so yeah, a fresh egg is like free food, especially if it's unimpregnated.

Fish are very much meat and very much feel pain btw, it's some myth that they don't, but it was a means to justify fish capture and consumption. ("even Jesus ate fish", "fish aren't meat", "fish don't feel pain", etc)

Actually, fish's central nervous system is quite similar to ours.

Oh so that's why you have some braindead peoples that don't consider fish to be meat.

[saranacX]

The "fish isn't meat" thing was just a loophole for Catholics so they could eat some kind of animal on friday.

It's meat.

[Dracoco OwO]

Escrito originalmente por saranacX:

The "fish isn't meat" thing was just a loophole for Catholics so they could eat some kind of animal on friday.

It's meat.

Yeah, ♥♥♥♥ that i was in several catholic private schools so i heard of that BS more than one friday.

[Sir Dookface McFerretballs]

Escrito originalmente por Holografix:

Escrito originalmente por Sir Dookface McFerretballs:

That's kinda sad you don't want to answer what I asked.

You need to try better than just deflection or cognitive dissonance.

i don't answer because you're not trying to have a discussion. you are just baiting with those questions.

No, you are the one not trying to have a discussion, thinking that being vegan is somehow guilt-free and good for the environment when it is as bad or worse than the meat industry.

The fact you don't want to acknowledge those questions about clear cutting, GMOs, Pesticides, and billion dollar vegetable and fruit industries being just as evil answers it perfectly for me.

[Holografix]

Escrito originalmente por Sir Dookface McFerretballs:

Escrito originalmente por Holografix:

i don't answer because you're not trying to have a discussion. you are just baiting with those questions.

No, you are the one not trying to have a discussion, thinking that being vegan is somehow guilt-free and good for the environment when it is as bad or worse than the meat industry.

The fact you don't want to acknowledge those questions about clear cutting, GMOs, Pesticides, and billion dollar vegetable and fruit industries being just as evil answers it perfectly for me.

i never posted that being vegan is guilt free. i'm not a vegan, i'm vegetarian. And vegan/vegetarian is ultimately better for the environment than eating meat.

Claiming that the fruit/vegetable industry is worse than the meat industry is a lie.

I'm not a representative for any of those industries, so I can't answer them anyway even if in some pretend world those questions WEREN'T bait questions.

[Gus the Crocodile]

Escrito originalmente por Darkie:

Meat will be needed to substain our ways of life and even mroe so, our intelligence on the long run.

What's the difference between the "eternal truths" you pride yourself on not having, and this kind of silly unscientific proclamation? We don't need meat to "sustain our intelligence". I'm sure this is related to your common observation about evolutionary development, but evolution isn't a meat-powered bar in a videogame that we need to keep topped up.

Escrito originalmente por Darkie:

Be vegan if you want, but don´t judge or demand others give up vital nutrients

Not sure why anyone would be doing that given that veganism doesn't mean giving up vital nutrients.

Escrito originalmente por Darkie:

and don´t claim it is better for the enviroment, if you live with modern things such as a phone, house and a PC to write on a forum.

This is not logical. If A is better for the environment than B, then whether you own C doesn't change that. Owning a phone and having a more environmentally friendly diet is better for the environment than owning a phone and having a less environmentally friendly diet. You're just arbitrarily telling people not to claim things that... are true?

You're usually quick to note that not everyone is in the same situation; it's not practical for everyone to have a vegan diet etc. And that's all true, and sensible. So why abandon that thinking when it comes to other aspects of our lives? Is it practical for everyone to go without a phone, a computer, a house?

Finally, "don't claim it's better for the environment if you live with modern things such as a phone, house and PC" is completely counterproductive in environmental terms. You say we need collective action, but you, what, want anyone who isn't homeless to stop making environmentally positive changes in their lifestyle?

[AdahnGorion]

Escrito originalmente por Gus the Crocodile:

Escrito originalmente por Darkie:

Meat will be needed to substain our ways of life and even mroe so, our intelligence on the long run.

What's the difference between the "eternal truths" you pride yourself on not having, and this kind of silly unscientific proclamation? We don't need meat to "sustain our intelligence". I'm sure this is related to your common observation about evolutionary development, but evolution isn't a meat-powered bar in a videogame that we need to keep topped up.

Escrito originalmente por Darkie:

Be vegan if you want, but don´t judge or demand others give up vital nutrients

Not sure why anyone would be doing that given that veganism doesn't mean giving up vital nutrients.

Escrito originalmente por Darkie:

and don´t claim it is better for the enviroment, if you live with modern things such as a phone, house and a PC to write on a forum.

This is not logical. If A is better for the environment than B, then whether you own C doesn't change that. Owning a phone and having a more environmentally friendly diet is better for the environment than owning a phone and having a less environmentally friendly diet. You're just arbitrarily telling people not to claim things that... are true?

You're usually quick to note that not everyone is in the same situation; it's not practical for everyone to have a vegan diet etc. And that's all true, and sensible. So why abandon that thinking when it comes to other aspects of our lives? Is it practical for everyone to go without a phone, a computer, a house?

Finally, "don't claim it's better for the environment if you live with modern things such as a phone, house and PC" is completely counterproductive in environmental terms. You say we need collective action, but you, what, want anyone who isn't homeless to stop making environmentally positive changes in their lifestyle?

You know that my argument is based on science with the nutrients and the rise of humankind. You can google it or look up our old locked vegan thread (any of them)

I am saying we need to find solutions, I am willing to accept that eating less meat is one of those btw. Just like I think cutting down on rice paddies is also a good idea or carrot farms. Nuts also are a huge issue (also with our water supply)

Those are based on scientific numbers, they are the most logical.. I can´t know if they are truth, maybe we are all rabbits and only need hay.. maybe we should try that, albeit from a scientific perspective, that is less likely, than my argument.

Vegans lack vital nutrients unless they suppliment up and even then they lack certain nutrients. I am not saying you can´t live without them, but it will impact health, so will eating only meat for that sake.. (then you will also lack vital nutrients)


It is not practical for all of us to own a large modern house. I actually don´t think we need two cars wither (I bike as much as I can, even with my kids to kindergarden etc.) We do own a hybrid car, nothing fancy. I understand that we have put ourself in a situation were we pollute and hold others down to be able to it.

Veganism stems from religion.. it is religious in its origin nature, its based on belief and purification. But even the origin religion is lacto vegans (they drink milk and eat cheese ie) they also eat fish if in need... Those that can afford it and are men (because females can´t achieve total nirvana in that religion) will go to the extremes to get salvation, even going as far as to take on mask to not inhale insects (they are meat as well)

They carefully inspect the road they walk as well, to be certain not to harm small animals and insects. Killing even a fly would be a huge sin... These people could never support modern veggie farms, since they kill more animals than people that just eat beef.


Again.. beliefs are fine.. My argument here was. Do as you want, but don´t claim moral high ground. If you want to actually change the planet and our situation, then we need to do so in unity, we could start with our over population or way of life.

[Plaid]

Escrito originalmente por Holografix:

Escrito originalmente por Sir Dookface McFerretballs:

No, you are the one not trying to have a discussion, thinking that being vegan is somehow guilt-free and good for the environment when it is as bad or worse than the meat industry.

The fact you don't want to acknowledge those questions about clear cutting, GMOs, Pesticides, and billion dollar vegetable and fruit industries being just as evil answers it perfectly for me.

i never posted that being vegan is guilt free. i'm not a vegan, i'm vegetarian. And vegan/vegetarian is ultimately better for the environment than eating meat.

Claiming that the fruit/vegetable industry is worse than the meat industry is a lie.

I'm not a representative for any of those industries, so I can't answer them anyway even if in some pretend world those questions WEREN'T bait questions.

This is why labels are so important so we can make informed decisions about the food we buy.
Of course, I can't control whether a company falsely markets their products but, aside from only eating the stuff I grow or visiting a local farm, it's the best we have.

I look for non-GMO, organic, soy free, palm oil free. Companies that are pretty much green.
The chocolate I buy doesn't destroy the rainforest, the chips I buy support the Seed Savers Exchange, etc.

Of course, nobody should be buying the Nabisco right now - they treat their workers like trash and I'm pretty sure they don't give a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ about the environment.