Going vegan

[Natural Love]

Anyone here thought about to become a vegan?Or do you think meat will never leave your plate.There are plenty of reason to become one but there are also a lot of downsides

[ʙᴜɴ.ᴇ]

引用自 Fly Guy：

引用自 Protagonist：

Going vegan

WTF would you do that? ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ vegan food is twice the price that of a carnivore.

I dunno vegetables are not that expensive, its the pre packaged vegan food that suffers from "vegan tax"

cook your own food from fresh raw ingredients and its not expensive at all

[🍋 Lemonfed 🍋]

the best I seen where usually a mix of both meat and vegettable , like cottage pie.

Potatoes , a lot's of corns that a bed of ground beef ... and it doesn't even need that much beef to taste good.

I think I've seen peoples add other veggetable like green peppers in them , pretty sure you could also add carrots with the mashed potatoes.

[Falco]

How I see it, we're above other animals on the food chain, so we eat them, we eat the meat they're made out of, it's simple, natural, straight-forward, there isn't much to it.

[AdahnGorion]

引用自 💕 𝓑𝓾𝓷 💕：

引用自 Fly Guy：

WTF would you do that? ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ vegan food is twice the price that of a carnivore.

I dunno vegetables are not that expensive, its the pre packaged vegan food that suffers from "vegan tax"

cook your own food from fresh raw ingredients and its not expensive at all

A local and eco/bio cucumber here is 1.5 euro. Calories per 100 grams (45)
A (tiny/medium sized) local and eco/bio cauliflower is 2 euro here. (25 cal per 100g)
1 kg carrots (local and eco/bio) is 2 euro as well here. (41 cal per 100 gram)

Obviously, you would have to eat other things (bulgur, rice, pasta, whatever you favour, some like beans as well) to make a proper cal based diet.. the thing is.. rice/pasta/etc is not that good, even potato has issues, even more so if you train.. (yes I know there are other options)

But if you go for local/eco/bio products, then you are limited and can´t just buy everything, even if you are not, it is still expenssive..

Local/eco (this also means the animals are living in huge spaces and in general have good enviroment/good natural diets) is like

Chicken breast 400 gram = 5-6 euro - 165 cal per 100 gram)
If it was non eco/local, then it would be like 3 euro.

We could add fish or even beef if you wanted (I personally eat mostly white meat and only very rarely eat beef and other red meats)


My point here is, that to gain the same nutrients and a good variety, it is a lot more expenssive to be full vegan and even more so if you want to be local/vegan (If you know how humans that grow rice banana carrots, etc in 3rd world countries and non eco/bio suffer... you would never buy any of them)

The amount of pesticides used for veggies are extreme and kills mother earth.. (it is crazy)
This is not an defence of meat or attack of vegans.. My point is... there is no real "cruelty free" or "perfect saintly" diet... most humans struggle for survival and don´t even have access to clean water, a roasted rat would be a feast for them.


Actually, Rat.. now that we talk about that, would be a rather good snack (if it was breed for it and controlled) because it has hgih amounts of calories and they produce many off spring and don´t have to eat much.

1 serving of a rat (300 grams) would go around 600 or more calories and would also give many vital nutrients.. it would also be much more healthy than proccess foods (ie meat, like proccess chicken)


Allright.. that was a sidestep.. anyway.. my point is.. most people can´t afford to be vagan and most that do it for religious reasons (they are the majority of vegans) often cheat and stil leat lacto products and even fish when needed.


I am in favour of local/bio products more so than siding with either carnivore or vegan styled diets.. (most do eat omnivoric ofc) but my point is... I think sustainability and how we treat our world (also plants !!! ) is important.


Again. me eating my local based bio chicken, is less of an bad impact on the enviroment, than someone buying non local or none bio vegan products or just raw veggies for that matter (if they have to come from across the globe, the emmision is crazy and the pestisides are crazy)



Now... in a perfect world, we would just grow sea weed and farm mealworms and then mash that into a cube, that we would all eat daily... but is that really what most people want? and would it change whom we are? not just physically, but also emotionally ?..


Anyway... I don´t think there is any eternal truths, but I personally do think, that most people in the world just eat what they can get their hands on... we are almost 8 billion people on eat...

100 years ago, we were not even 2 billion people..................



I can tell you what our biggest issue is, but that would be too political for steam.. (I am still surprised this thread is even up)


Anyway.. people can eat whatever they want in our current free world.. nobody should claim eternal truth.. I still see some claim that plants and tree´s can´t feel anything and then they post science (science is more divided on this, than one should think) but go 100 years back and many animals we consider having emotions etc today, was just "empty" husk living to give us food on the table... science advance.. maybe the next thing will be that plants feel pain (they do register being cut etc)



Last closing statement.

Everything that lives seems to feeds on something to survive. Energy seems (we can never be 100% certain about anything) to be the main factor in everything in our entire universe.. there is a reason why our main priority is food and water (energy) without this, we perish.

[Sir Dookface McFerretballs]

Vegans say "You are what you eat".

So that makes me vegan because I only eat vegan animals.

I don't eat mountain lions or dogs or other carnivores.

So I'm vegan.

And most vegans are actually lettuce, so they are less vegan than I am.

[Fly Guy]

Two nights in a row I had that Impossible Burger, but I ain't gonna have anymore of it because it's $8 bucks for weed and whatever that's in the mix.

[Gus the Crocodile]

引用自 Sir Dookface McFerretballs：

Vegans say "You are what you eat".

We do?

[saranacX]

引用自 Sir Dookface McFerretballs：

Vegans say "You are what you eat".

So that makes me vegan because I only eat vegan animals.

I don't eat mountain lions or dogs or other carnivores.

So I'm vegan.

And most vegans are actually lettuce, so they are less vegan than I am.

Actually: "You are what you absorb" is more accurate.

[Dracoco OwO]

The natural cycle of animals eating plants, getting eaten by predators and then said animals dies to fertilize the earth and nourish the plants is already suffering enough, one of the primary industry polluting the world massively is the palm oil industry and vegans only are adding to it in a way, not everyone can be vegan, because that would be a bad idea on the long run. Just like meat industry has it's faults too.

[Sir Dookface McFerretballs]

引用自 saranacX：

引用自 Sir Dookface McFerretballs：

Vegans say "You are what you eat".

So that makes me vegan because I only eat vegan animals.

I don't eat mountain lions or dogs or other carnivores.

So I'm vegan.

And most vegans are actually lettuce, so they are less vegan than I am.

Actually: "You are what you absorb" is more accurate.

lol

[trousers]

Vegans say "A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush."

[Gus the Crocodile]

Vegans say "His coconut gun can fire in spurts. If he shoots ya, it's gonna hurt!"

[saranacX]

He's bigger, faster, and stronger too! He's the first member of the DK crew!

[Holografix]

Vegans say “I try to excite myself so I stay crazy.”

[Gus the Crocodile]

Vegans wear just a red tie and nothing else.