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Social Democracy = North Koreas socialism ? What ? Im sorry but do you actually believe this ? Are you not capable to read the wikipedia article about SOCIAL DEMOCRACY ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy
"Social democracy is a political, social and economic ideology that supports economic and social interventions to promote socialism within a democratic framework, and a policy regime involving collective bargaining arrangements, a commitment to representative democracy, measures for income redistribution, regulation of the economy in the general interest and welfare state provisions. Social democracy thus aims to create the conditions for capitalism to lead to greater democratic, egalitarian and solidaristic outcomes; and is often associated with the set of socioeconomic policies that became prominent in Northern and Western Europe—particularly the Nordic model in the Nordic countries"
I know what social democracy is, why are you ignoring the argument that it operates by the same principles and ends up the same way? Have you found me a socialist country where the government ever got less powerful?
Don't just repeat the definition, one you didn't even make, that's insanity. You need to think for yourself. Clear your head, and try again.
At least somebody can tackle the point. Good answer, but still not what the socialists wanted.
America has used that system of politics for years, and only now when your favourite cupcake doesnt win you complain? If obama won in 2008 by this system I bet I would have not heard a word if he had less voters
Don't be such a fool. I already eplained all that, how they work by the same fundamentals and how socialism only ever grows. Social Democracy doesn't equal North Korea right now, but it might as well because the trend is inevitable.
Stop dropping the argument, don't try to change the subject, and above all, do not assume I speak out of ignorance or stupidity. You are the one who has yet to posit eividence that stands up to anything. You just keep repeating words that aren't yours, a troubling leftist phenomenon.
Find me a socialist country where the government has willingly surrendered power. One where it hasn't grown. If you can't do that, then you cede the point that you will eventually end up like North Korea, assuming you don't collapse first, these silly regimes never last so long as even primitive monarachies.
"While social democrats belong firmly in the progressive camp, they reject the need to change society by means of revolution and class warfare. Instead, they affirm the need of obtaining a mandate within the confines of existing democratic structures and, once in power, focus on implementing policies designed to bring about reform of a country's society and economy towards a more equal distribution of wealth. Since the end of World War II, European social democrats have generally abandoned the goal of building an alternative economic system to capitalism and moved towards platforms that affirm market-based economic orders and private entrepreneurship, yet still seek to implement welfare and state intervention designed to improve the long-term outlook for underprivileged groups.
The original split between traditional socialists and social democrats occurred at the end of the 19th century, when the latter emerged as a new branch of socialists who originally shared their vision of a radically different post-capitalist society, but didn't want to participate in outright revolutions that Marxist orthodoxy considered necessary to bring such change about. Instead, they opted to form political parties that acknowledged the existing order for the time being and tried to attain power through elections. Nowadays, this definition would cover all of the mainstream democratic left parties, even though many of these still label themselves "socialist". Therefore, this definition is inapplicable"
Every social democratic party in Europe . For example SPD (Social Democratic Party of Germany) in Germany.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_federal_election,_2009
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_German_federal_election,_1980
SPD lost in this election, they gave the power to the winning party.
And you still believe that social democracy and socialism the same thing are ?. Im sorry but theres no cure for stupidity or ignorance.
Stop right there. You are ignoring the argument once again, and you have no evidence with which to do so. Socialism always grows of its own will, and as for your example......
That wasn't something Socialism willingly did. If they had won, you'd eventually get to the point where you have no elections, and Germany already kind of doesn't. Merkel remains in charge of a socialist majority and a lot of socialist policy. She has been for over ten years.
Where you're getting tripped up is in assuming that European conservativism means the same thing as American conservativism. In Europe, the fascists are considered to be extreme right-wing because they were nationalists. Merkel is not a nationalist and her immigration policy, which she is now backing away from, shows it. She's further left than the US.
In Germany the State still practices all sorts of Socialism, Nationalized healthcare, nationalized retirement, nationalized welfare, nationalized wage scales, nationalized mass transit, and the degree of that is only offset by their continued commitment to allowing private ownership of business and overwhelmingly countered by Germany basically nationalizing European debt. Debt not paid back, which has put them in quite a bit of trouble.
But then, that's what socialism does. It works until you run out of other people's money.
Liberals as beyond pissed that the American people have rejected their socialist idealism. So now they want to blame the system
They also promised to move to Canada but like the spineless bigots they are, NOPELOL.
Name me 1 social democratic party in Europe that tried to change society by means of revolution and class warfare in the last 100 years, just name 1 party.
Yep, we here in Germany dont have elections. We all live here in a socialistic dictatorship. And you believe this ? Jesus christ, the american ignorance is strong in you.
And this is bad because ? Yeah, nationalized healthcare is soooo awful. Same as nationalized retirement and welfare, OH BOY ITS SOOOO AWFUL HERE IN GERMANY. Its so awful that every citizen can afford healthcare, oh boy. Its soo awful that we dont let our citizens die in poverty. Damn, this is really awful, am i right ? Hey, you know what ? The people of germany voted for these parties/policies. Its called democracy, did you not know that ?