Why Are you a Vegan or Vegetarian?

[Alf]

I find it silly that vegans say they don't eat meat because they don't want to harm life. However, something must die in order to sustain life. Besides, the earth can not support every living thing and death is the a way to maintain balance and more so since the human population is large and they live longer then they have in the past. If everyone became vegan, there would eventually be no plants left because people would have to eat a lot more to sustain themselves.

[Sir Dookface McFerretballs]

It is always funny how vegitarians/vegans WILL tell you they are what they are, unwarranted, usually within 5 minutes talking to one. And Instead of "live and let live" they WILL tell you how to live your life because they think they know better.

What I find more hilarious, is every time there is a news story about someone living beyond 110 years, they have a regular omnivore diet with things like red meat, fish, and eggs, and almost always a bit of red wine and even whiskey.

If eating a certain thing makes you fell better, go for it, but don't be an insufferable idiot by shoving your choice in other people's face as if you somehow know the key to living forever, when you do not.

I mean maybe it is something that vegans cannot help considering they almost always lack important brain enzymes and vitamins like B12 which causes brain damage after a few years, or creatine and omega-3 that causes heart and muscle problems... Which would explain why they are always so annoying.

When it comes down to it, there is no certain life expectancy for humans... It is all genetics.

I hear stories of crap "studies" saying things like "it'll add 6 years to your life"... Well... How do they know your expiration date? LOL

[Esoteric]

I'm not. I'm an omnivore.

[goober]

this is the part i don't get, and i want someone who's vegan to explain this for me

putting on a blindfold and singing lalala doesn't make the suffering go away. animals are eaten alive in the wilderness, or die of sickness, or starvation. it isn't bambi land, it's harsh, cruel, and awful. they're succumbing to an equally worse fate if not more so.

second, let's say everybody does go vegan. then what do we do with the livestock ? they will all be slaughtered within days because of a lack of predation they're entire life. boars will run rampant throughout all ecosystems and ruin natutal wildlife. we'll have to have bounty killings for the boars to control population, but oh noes can't eat them.

it's a pipe dream. animals will die either way.

[Gus the Crocodile]

Originally posted by cadig:

this is the part i don't get, and i want someone who's vegan to explain this for me

putting on a blindfold and singing lalala doesn't make the suffering go away.

I expect you probably do get it, though. I mean, this is true, but it doesn't make it okay to kick a dog (or, you know, a person even) when you see one in the street, right? Noting that "it's a cruel world" doesn't actually excuse more cruelty.

Being vegan isn't about thinking you're magically eliminating all suffering from the world. It's about our choices, our contribution.

Originally posted by cadig:

second, let's say everybody does go vegan. then what do we do with the livestock ? they will all be slaughtered within days because of a lack of predation they're entire life.

You make it sound like there's a serious possibility that the entire world will suddenly go vegan overnight. There isn't. Nobody thinks there is. There is no need for a plan to deal with that scenario, because any change toward decreased animal farming would be gradual.

[Xero_Daxter]

Until we can solve world hunger then we can focus on being vegans.

[CodeGreen]

Originally posted by Ephdel:

Originally posted by Flavor Tøwn:

also literally every vegan I've seen looks either malnourished or under weight

Vegetarians look fine though

Wait, aren't vegans and vegetarians basically the exact same thing?

No. The the difference is that vegans fully avoiding eating meat in their whole lifetime but vegeterians on the other hand can eat less meat and eat more vegetables and maintain suitable needs for their nutritional diet.

[saranacX]

Originally posted by Ephdel:

Originally posted by Flavor Tøwn:

also literally every vegan I've seen looks either malnourished or under weight

Vegetarians look fine though

Wait, aren't vegans and vegetarians basically the exact same thing?

Veganism is Vegetarianism taken to its logical conclusion.

[Sir Dookface McFerretballs]

Originally posted by Ephdel:

Originally posted by Flavor Tøwn:

also literally every vegan I've seen looks either malnourished or under weight

Vegetarians look fine though

Wait, aren't vegans and vegetarians basically the exact same thing?

No.

Vegans are at least 10 times more annoying than vegitarians.

[Gus the Crocodile]

Originally posted by Ephdel:

Wait, aren't vegans and vegetarians basically the exact same thing?

Vegetarian = no meat
Vegan = no animal products (so no meat, but also no dairy, eggs etc)

[goober]

Originally posted by Gus the Crocodile:

Originally posted by cadig:

this is the part i don't get, and i want someone who's vegan to explain this for me

putting on a blindfold and singing lalala doesn't make the suffering go away.

I expect you probably do get it, though. I mean, this is true, but it doesn't make it okay to kick a dog (or, you know, a person even) when you see one in the street, right? Noting that "it's a cruel world" doesn't actually excuse more cruelty.

Being vegan isn't about thinking you're magically eliminating all suffering from the world. It's about our choices, our contribution.

Originally posted by cadig:

second, let's say everybody does go vegan. then what do we do with the livestock ? they will all be slaughtered within days because of a lack of predation they're entire life.

You make it sound like there's a serious possibility that the entire world will suddenly go vegan overnight. There isn't. Nobody thinks there is. There is no need for a plan to deal with that scenario, because any change toward decreased animal farming would be gradual.

to me, it doesn't matter who does the killing, because the animal dies either way.

this is and us or them situation, and has been for hundreds of millions of years. i know it's an appeal to tradition, but we don't even follow the tradition alone, it's how the life cycle works. we finally evolved to come out on top of the food chain, and you're throwing away the oppurtunity to be on top because wah i feel bad. life is cruel, and we do not escape life, we are apart of it.

you wouldn't say the same to a starving child eating a turkey sandwich. i bet you wouldn't even say the same of a hunter who kills his own meat. so what's the problem with a store ?

[Gus the Crocodile]

Originally posted by cadig:

to me, it doesn't matter who does the killing, because the animal dies either way.

Everything dies either way. That doesn't make it okay for me to kill your mum.

Originally posted by cadig:

this is and us or them situation

Haha, what? No it isn't. If you feel threatened by cows that's your business, man. We will be "on top" regardless of whether or not we eat animals. It's not like farms are acting as scarecrows, keeping all the animals too frightened to take over our civilisation.

Originally posted by cadig:

you wouldn't say the same to a starving child eating a turkey sandwich. i bet you wouldn't even say the same of a hunter who kills his own meat. so what's the problem with a store ?

If you want to know what I think, you can just ask, instead of telling me. It's weird that you're making out that I'm here judging other people at all, let alone a child. I'm not. I have offered my reasons, for my choices. I don't berate other people for eating meat.

I am neither a child, nor starving; I'm in a much more privileged position than that, and that changes my responsibility. A starving child may not have the options available to survive without eating meat. I do though. It's trivial for me. So I can't justify being part of the demand for animal farming.

[VλλK CSGOSKINS cs.army]

Originally posted by cadig:

Originally posted by Gus the Crocodile:

I expect you probably do get it, though. I mean, this is true, but it doesn't make it okay to kick a dog (or, you know, a person even) when you see one in the street, right? Noting that "it's a cruel world" doesn't actually excuse more cruelty.

Being vegan isn't about thinking you're magically eliminating all suffering from the world. It's about our choices, our contribution.

You make it sound like there's a serious possibility that the entire world will suddenly go vegan overnight. There isn't. Nobody thinks there is. There is no need for a plan to deal with that scenario, because any change toward decreased animal farming would be gradual.

to me, it doesn't matter who does the killing, because the animal dies either way.

this is and us or them situation, and has been for hundreds of millions of years. i know it's an appeal to tradition, but we don't even follow the tradition alone, it's how the life cycle works. we finally evolved to come out on top of the food chain, and you're throwing away the oppurtunity to be on top because wah i feel bad. life is cruel, and we do not escape life, we are apart of it.

you wouldn't say the same to a starving child eating a turkey sandwich. i bet you wouldn't even say the same of a hunter who kills his own meat. so what's the problem with a store ?

arguing with a vegan is the most stupid thing you can do in youre life btw

[VλλK CSGOSKINS cs.army]

Originally posted by Gus the Crocodile:

Originally posted by cadig:

to me, it doesn't matter who does the killing, because the animal dies either way.

Everything dies either way. That doesn't make it okay for me to kill your mum.

Originally posted by cadig:

this is and us or them situation

Haha, what? No it isn't. If you feel threatened by cows that's your business, man. We will be "on top" regardless of whether or not we eat animals. It's not like farms are acting as scarecrows, keeping all the animals too frightened to take over our civilisation.

Originally posted by cadig:

you wouldn't say the same to a starving child eating a turkey sandwich. i bet you wouldn't even say the same of a hunter who kills his own meat. so what's the problem with a store ?

If you want to know what I think, you can just ask, instead of telling me. It's weird that you're making out that I'm here judging other people at all, let alone a child. I'm not. I have offered my reasons, for my choices. I don't berate other people for eating meat.

I am neither a child, nor starving; I'm in a much more privileged position than that, and that changes my responsibility. A starving child may not have the options available to survive without eating meat. I do though. It's trivial for me. So I can't justify being part of the demand for animal farming.

we don't eat human meat so why you did evolve killing humans lol
dummie

[Secanho]

No, cause I'm too lazy and this requires discipline.

[goober]

Originally posted by Gus the Crocodile:

Originally posted by cadig:

to me, it doesn't matter who does the killing, because the animal dies either way.

Everything dies either way. That doesn't make it okay for me to kill your mum.

Originally posted by cadig:

this is and us or them situation

Haha, what? No it isn't. If you feel threatened by cows that's your business, man. We will be "on top" regardless of whether or not we eat animals. It's not like farms are acting as scarecrows, keeping all the animals too frightened to take over our civilisation.

Originally posted by cadig:

you wouldn't say the same to a starving child eating a turkey sandwich. i bet you wouldn't even say the same of a hunter who kills his own meat. so what's the problem with a store ?

If you want to know what I think, you can just ask, instead of telling me. It's weird that you're making out that I'm here judging other people at all, let alone a child. I'm not. I have offered my reasons, for my choices. I don't berate other people for eating meat.

I am neither a child, nor starving; I'm in a much more privileged position than that, and that changes my responsibility. A starving child may not have the options available to survive without eating meat. I do though. It's trivial for me. So I can't justify being part of the demand for animal farming.

okay, i've come to an understanding. i thought you were some sort of evangelical vegan type of person.

if you leave it to other's people choice instead of berating them for their choice, i'm fine with you.