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Tonight I'm making Paella. It's about as unapolagetically far from a Vegan dish as you can get.
> Mussels
> Prawns
> Chicken
> Rabbit
> Chorizo
Have you researched that those things wouldn't exist without the agricultural revolutions? It was an abundance of food that made it possible for people to make milk into soy, and create the variety we see in grocery stores. That variety creates economic activity that makes us all a little wealthier, and imparts elan to the desire to be more productive.
We need all of that desire, because we are the only thing that can actually save the animals. They go extinct at hooribly morbid rates, just through natural existence. Humans, can genetically engineer them to create new and better lives for them, from now until beyond the death of the sun.
You help that process with your soy milk. Someone's doing work and getting paid for it, generating the wealth and skills that power society. But don't presume to shame people for eating animals. If anyone listened to people like you, the world economy would collapse overnight and billions would starve. Not so great for healthy living, is it?
Nor is it intelligent behavior in any way. What, exactly, are you doing to help animals? They get eaten anyway. Usually dying in far more painful ways. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think humans have an industry based on rending their prey with claws and teeth, nor one where they die from the inside-out because of disease.
In complete opposition to the viewpoints of vegans and vegetarians, the animals we farm are plentiful and generally live happy lives free from fear. Yes, we kill and eat most of them, but they can't even comprehend the concept of mortality. All they know is the good life until they die. Would that we enjoyed such blissful existence.
You're not saving them from anything. You're not saving the world they live in. Quite the contrary. The animals people leave alone are, all too often, on the endangered species list. Futile efforts are made to protect them from what is already nature's course. You don't create anything that way, and mankind has always bettered itself through creation.
If you want to be a vegan or vegetarian, go right ahead. It's your right. But don't bring doom down on all our heads by collapsing the agriculture market with your stupid soybeans. They aren't any more sustainable than battery chickens or GMO.
Oh, absolutely, just not that obviously false garbage. If any of the premises were true, human society would not have pulled itself up by the bootstraps, so to speak. And it will have to continue to do so in the future, there's just no way around it. In order to develop more specialization and technology, we need more people and better trained ones. You're not going to get that with a vegan society.
You and I don't mean this as a personal offense, as a great many people share the problem, don't seem to understand that there is no going back. Not that we came from vegan roots, but even if we had, we developed cvilization to get away from that. Because it sucks.
If you really want to do what's morally right and sustainable in your eyes, you'll pay a premium for nutrient paste. We can make it out of just about anything, even flavor it, sort of. There are vegetarian varities, but not much of a market, because nobody wants to eat nutrient paste.
Or, we could just not do that and do what has already worked for thousands of years. I know, the socialists are running around saying the world is going to end. (Isn't it funny how nobody listens to nutjobs like that in any other instance?) But the world is not anywhere near ending, nor is human civilization. It's getting better, more skilled. Most of the failures they incessantly whine about are their own because they don't know how anything works.
Agribusiness, including your soy products and beans, is a growth industry and has been for a long time. I don't know why you, or anyone else, focuses on thrid-world nations that can't even grow their own food. Yeah, it's a tragic waste of perfectly good humans, but then they would only be useful if they did something. We don't actually lose anything when they die of People's Glorious Stupidity.
Wigging out about how we're going to lose the food supply is pointless and hasn't been a productive endeavor since Marx or Malthus. Like everything else we care to maintain, humans only produce more and better.
Except when annoying tree-hugging nature geeks come along and ruin it with a vision of natural harmony they have yet to realize anywhere and never will. Like I implied before, a bunch of hippies farming soy on their collective organic farms has never been a system that works. Modern agribusiness, in amazing contrast, drives a full 30% of the world economy. Arguably more of it, because people who don't eat don't produce.
Again, I am perfectly fine with the right of vegans or vegetarians to make their choice. Just don't try to impose it on the rest of us. I'm sure that in due time, you'll get to subsist on algae paste and meditate in some Arcology that produces ten-thousand times the food any failed organic venture could ever hope to.
In the meantime, the world is moving ahead, faster and faster. You're going to miss it if you look back.
I'm Not.
I eat the tasty animals because we need plants to breathe and clean our air.
Plants feel pain too, so the morals response is out the window now.
Anyone who isn't just pretending to believe this would surely be horrified to observe, say, their neighbour mowing the lawn. Unless they were completely lacking in empathy, in which case it'd be a terrible idea to listen to them about morals anyway.