SKS is better than the AK

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chewbachman 2019年7月8日 22時18分

The SKS is often left in the shadow of the legendary AK series of rifles both in reality as well as video games and this is unfortunate. It is often degraded as the poor mans AK. This is quite an unfair degrading of what could be considered a legendary rifle in its own right. While not as prolific as the AK it certainly has earned its place on the battlefield. In civilian hands where full auto isn't an option, I would actually argue that the neutered AK is a poor, substandard manufactured rifle when compared to the rifleman's fighting rifle, the SKS.

Ergonomics: the SKS pivots along its central axis making it extremely easy to come to bear when compared to the awkward handling of the AK. The SKS has a safety very handily placed next to the trigger. When compared to the AK's barbaric safety there is no comparison. The SKS distributes its weight better when compared to the AK particularly when loaded. The hand grooves on the SKS allow for better purchase of the rifle.

Manufacture: The AK is manufactured entirely of Stamped metal with extremely loose tolerances and it is not uncommon to have the furniture shift or move when handled. In comparison, the SKS is entirely machined with forged steel components, the rifle is solid though not heavy and feels like it could double as a war club. (which it can with its steel butt plate and folding bayonet)

Accuracy: The SKS has a longer sight radius than the AK as well as longer barrel. Almost every SKS I have seen or shot has been an excellent experience. With the integral box magazine as opposed to the banana mag, it is very easy to take prone or supported shots. (bayonet can and has been used as a monopod)

History: It has a reputation as being an exceedingly reliable firearm in the same league as the AK. Most american casualties in Vietnam were due to the SKS.

China completely preferred the SKS series of rifles to AK and had modernized and kept the rifle in the front line well into the 80's.

The below video shows an SKS paratrooper which takes AK magazines. Not the norm for feeding system, but as you can see, the build quality of this rifle is superb.

https://youtu.be/sw6OXjx2X0Q

I just feel like this little rifle gets stepped on so much while the AK is practically worshiped. I feel like some respect for this little rifle is in order. You all have a good night and hope you enjoyed the read. I would enjoy discussing the pros and cons further.

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Hidden 2019年7月9日 16時55分

weehawky の投稿を引用：
Or hell what about a .458 SOCOM ? edit: Seems you don't want to be going up against deer at more than about 150 yards with 458 SOCOM or the HAM'R.

.458 socom if i remember right was developed for instances like operation gothic serpent, where you have longer sight lines on soft targets you need to sit down quickly.

problem is it creates the exact issue the military was trying to avoid before - high carry weight, high recoil, and losing high function auto. the round itself I think may have needed up having the same issues at intermediate rounds that the .45 did at shorter ranges. The wider, flat bullet potentially getting stopped by soft armor and wouldn't penetrate barriers in the same fashion.

Could be wrong on that but I doubt the round is used much, especially in the face of 6.8spc, 7.62X51, and 77 grain otm 5.56mm, and other available intermediate cartridges.

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chewbachman 2019年7月9日 16時57分

I don't have any accuracy data on hand, but most sources state that the SKS is in general a more accurate rifle. I think that is certainly believable with the longer barrel and sight radius. My experience with it tends to put it at about 2-3 moa at 100. Yes, the full auto capability is a big one for sure, but the SKS has its full auto variants as well. In its unneutered full auto glory the AK was a game changer for sure. But as modern combat has shown, full auto fire is not as effective as once thought.

As far as the integral box magazine, its kind of a give and take. Stripper clips can be carried in large amounts, allowing you to carry an obscene amount of ammo on your person for less weight, but yes, in its base form that is certainly a limitation.

With full auto not being an option in civilian hands, I think the SKS shines even more so if your in a country that allows firearms.

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Sir Dookface McFerretballs 2019年7月9日 17時02分

In a "battle rifle" situation... AK wins every time.

As much as I like the SKS for being simpler and more accurate than the mass produced AK platform...

I'd take the AK in any real world situation, being able to use hi-cap magazines, and the freakish reliability of AK platform guns, with there being more abundant parts available if anything ever does break, just wins hands down.

And I am talking in original old school military format.

If we are talking about modern ones, AK wins AGAIN for all the same reasons above, but with the modern ones being a whole lot more accurate than the SKS now, and there being amazingly well done milled receivers and such available as well as a nearly endless amount of custom parts out there.

Also, using China as an example of long term SKS use is a bad idea considering they have not been in any modern engagements like the AK has and still is, The SKS in China was primarily used for "dress duty" in parades and such while the Norinco Type 54 (chinese AK47) has been their "battle rifle" since the 50s.

I love the SKS rifles, especially with the AK mag conversions (have had a few personally over the years), but as much as I hate to admit, the AK is just better in nearly every way possible.

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628 2019年7月9日 17時28分

Dixon Sider の投稿を引用：
Ryan628jpn の投稿を引用：
STG-44's full-auto capability changed the game after WW2. SKS must be better than AK in semi-auto shooting, but today's soldiers need assault rifles, or more long-range rifle as a sniper such as SVD and SV-98.
SKS is a great carbine, just doesn't fit what a military needs.

Military needs carbines for mobility. You dont want to get in and out of a vehicle with an extra foot on the length of your weapon while your getting shot at.

Sorry, my explanation was bad. What I mean is troops except snipers need full-auto guns for primary arm, even for armored divisions you mention. I believe they don't want to get packed in a vehicle with long*ss SKS, something nearer to original "carbine" concept either.
They have AKS-74U or AK-105 for soldiers in vehicle, in fact.

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ARGH!! 2019年7月9日 17時39分

AVT win. It's like the SKS big brother. Jump to 02:00 in the video.

watch?v=CVmCONHGPQk

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Garou 2019年7月9日 17時46分

Ok, what's your point? You'll never use either one.

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Hidden 2019年7月9日 17時54分

Red_Hood の投稿を引用：
Ok, what's your point? You'll never use either one.

he said he wanted to prompt discussion.

Leave the thread if you don't like it. No one made you comment here. Get over your childhood issues, this thread isn't the cause.

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Garou 2019年7月9日 17時58分

Rogue Wolf の投稿を引用：
Red_Hood の投稿を引用：
Ok, what's your point? You'll never use either one.
he said he wanted to prompt discussion.

Leave the thread if you don't like it. No one made you comment here. Get over your childhood issues, this thread isn't the cause.

Unlike you I have real guns. And don't backseat moderate.

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tramper 2019年7月9日 18時32分

If the SKS was better than the AK 47 more would be using it, i've fired a Chinese SKS, heap of rubbish.

Supposedly any troops from the WW2 if they had the opportunity, would ditch their weapons and grab a AK if they could, its been the best weapon of choice for all sorts of groups...the SKS isn't.

If you want to talk legendary guns, the .303 Enfield has shot more big game than any other calibre and was the mainstay of the Commonwealth armies from WW1 to WW2 and later the Korean War, my first rifle and i still love them.

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chewbachman 2019年7月9日 18時51分

The AK wasn't in service in ww2. Yes it was superceded due to the fact that the AK was cheaper to manufacture and had full auto capability. I am sad to hear your experience with the Chinese was bad. Must have been an old wore out soldier. Most people who like the AK more than the SKS will even give it that it is the more fun to shoot. Something about that big milled bolt slamming back and forth. They were in service with almost every Eastern block nation for a long while. Primarily the DMR role after the AK came. This stayed that way until the Dragunov.

China modernized the SKS a number of times while in their service. These are naturally unavailable to the public due to being full auto. This is the only footage I could find of it.

https://youtu.be/e-SXG4BAnrI

Bunch of idiots egging this poor girl on.

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tramper 2019年7月9日 19時48分

chewbachman の投稿を引用：
The AK wasn't in service in ww2. Yes it was superceded due to the fact that the AK was cheaper to manufacture and had full auto capability. I am sad to hear your experience with the Chinese was bad. Must have been an old wore out soldier. Most people who like the AK more than the SKS will even give it that it is the more fun to shoot. Something about that big milled bolt slamming back and forth. They were in service with almost every Eastern block nation for a long while. Primarily the DMR role after the AK came. This stayed that way until the Dragunov.

China modernized the SKS a number of times while in their service. These are naturally unavailable to the public due to being full auto. This is the only footage I could find of it.

https://youtu.be/e-SXG4BAnrI

Bunch of idiots egging this poor girl on.

Yes thanks for the correction, i was thinking of the PPSh-41 that soldiers would try to get a hold of.

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Hidden 2019年7月9日 19時53分

Red_Hood の投稿を引用：
Rogue Wolf の投稿を引用：
he said he wanted to prompt discussion.

Leave the thread if you don't like it. No one made you comment here. Get over your childhood issues, this thread isn't the cause.

Unlike you I have real guns. And don't backseat moderate.

You have no clue what people have, and doesn't mean s***

It doesn't change my point.

Get over your childhood issues. This thread isn't the cause you p*ssy.

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Hidden 2019年7月9日 20時01分

chewbachman の投稿を引用：
I don't have any accuracy data on hand, but most sources state that the SKS is in general a more accurate rifle. I think that is certainly believable with the longer barrel and sight radius. My experience with it tends to put it at about 2-3 moa at 100. Yes, the full auto capability is a big one for sure, but the SKS has its full auto variants as well. In its unneutered full auto glory the AK was a game changer for sure. But as modern combat has shown, full auto fire is not as effective as once thought.

As far as the integral box magazine, its kind of a give and take. Stripper clips can be carried in large amounts, allowing you to carry an obscene amount of ammo on your person for less weight, but yes, in its base form that is certainly a limitation.

With full auto not being an option in civilian hands, I think the SKS shines even more so if your in a country that allows firearms.

okay, well that accuracy data conflicts a bit with what ive found.

Its not uncommon have a higher moa for both weapons, and while the SKS is a bit more accurate, they are still fairly similar( which makes sense when you consider they fire the exact same bullet)

3-6 MOA is nothing to brag about, for either rifle. Considering the sks is supposedly going to excel at longer distances, this becomes an even bigger issue.

Modern combat is modern combat. we aren't comparing a modern AK to a modern SKS. We're comparing vintage rifles at this rate.

Here's the thing about carrying an ungodly amount of ammo - you cant do it anyways. ounces make pounds.

Another thing you dont consider, is how many of those stripper clips do you need to carry to benefit over carry a couple AK mags? because they are more than likely going to cause a metric ♥♥♥♥ ton of noise in your ruck or on your person. Magazines are a LOT quieter than a pocket of jingling jangling stripper clips.

unless you stuff them in all the padded nooks and crannies in your pack, in which case you're going to have a hard time with a speed reload.

You dont have the same level of suppressing fire, you're reloading more, which puts you at a disadvantage in small unit tactics.

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