Earth Shifting Arguements.

[Thop]

Why is it people who say "The Earth has been constantly shifting and changing," are always the ones who want to intervine in this "natural" process. Then you have people you think that the Earh is the same as when it was created, and they don't give two ♥♥♥♥♥ about weather it's changing or not.

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA?
(please don't name the groups of people who say these things, we all know who they are...)

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

Well, we as humans have infrastructure that depends on certain conditions.

For example, all the infrastructure of a port -- for receiving and servicing ships, loading and unloading cargo, allowing passengers to board and deboard, etc. -- becomes a little useless if it's underwater.

So people try to seek to maintain those conditions.

Furthermore, the Earth has been changing over time but that doesn't mean that we humans can't affect it through our actions. Should be rather obvious that we have, what with having built civilization. Might I add, that we have made these changes in what's basically a really short flash in geologic time. A few hundred or even a few thousand years isn't even chump change compared to geologic timescales of millions and even billions of years.

[※Tapu Lele※]

Science.

[bumblebee]

rfgherhrth

[Pizmo]

Considering that the human races entire existence is but a blink of the eye in the grand scheme of things. We have no clue what the natural state of the Earth is. We can make educated guesses, but that's about it. For all we know the Earths axis could have been completely horizontal at one point. Same thing applies to the Earths climate. We can make an educated guess about what the natural climate is supposed to be, and whether or not human activity is changing climate one way or the other. Don't get me wrong it's a stupid thing to completely ignore, but saying that we completely understand the Earths climate and how it's effected is a bold face lie as well

[RexEasily(xGunner)]

http://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/5453/20150406/global-climate-change-the-earth-has-shifted-say-inuit-elders.htm

[Pizmo]

Postat inițial de Mookie:

Science.

Yes and no... As much as I love science (see my thread about physics questions). It does fail us in several areas when it comes to answering a lot of things 100% concretely. There are still a lot of stupidly basic questions science even to this day can't answer for certain. We are talking about 4 year old level questions like; Why is ice so slippery, or how are we able to stay balanced on a bike?

Science is out best avenue for expanding out knowledge, but to assume that something is 100% correct just because you hear the phrase "scientists say" goes against the everything that science is

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

Ice is slippery because you're hot.

As in, seriously. It's because you melt the ice. If you don't, it's not slippery.

Staying balanced on a bike is due to gyroscopic forces.

[Thop]

Postat inițial de フル メタル アルケミス:

replace "scientists say" with the "the church says" and you see how they are the same idea of authority

Yeah, I like science and all, but when the "science approved of a flat Earth" arguement can be applied to something said I tend to avoid it.

[Thop]

Postat inițial de Pizmo:

Considering that the human races entire existence is but a blink of the eye in the grand scheme of things. We have no clue what the natural state of the Earth is. We can make educated guesses, but that's about it. For all we know the Earths axis could have been completely horizontal at one point. Same thing applies to the Earths climate. We can make an educated guess about what the natural climate is supposed to be, and whether or not human activity is changing climate one way or the other. Don't get me wrong it's a stupid thing to completely ignore, but saying that we completely understand the Earths climate and how it's effected is a bold face lie as well

[Pizmo]

Postat inițial de Quint the House Gecko:

Ice is slippery because you're hot.

As in, seriously. It's because you melt the ice. If you don't, it's not slippery.

Staying balanced on a bike is due to gyroscopic forces.

There are 3 different accepted theories as to why ice is slippery. None of which have been concretely proven to be the correct theory.



A physicist in the 60s or 70s disproved the gyroscopic effect. Basically there is not enough mass in a bicycle wheel to counteract the mass of a leaning bike and the person on it.



But the only point I was trying to make is that science typically raises more questions then it ever answers. Scientists in the early 1900s wanted to know why light from a lightbulb is always on the red end of the light spectrum. When trying to find out the answer to this question scientists just ended up breaking reality. Now here we are 100 years later with a legitimate scientific debate over reality really being real. All because a couple dudes were curious about the color from a light bulb

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the earth is flat

[Thop]

Postat inițial de dasdasdasd:

the earth is flat

[Sir Dookface McFerretballs]

Personally I say let things happen as they come along and adapt to any "actual" changes, as humans have a terrible record of going in to something with good intentions and having an outcome that just makes things worse in the long run.

When it comes down to it...

The earth will outlast humans no matter what they do if they are here or not...

Well at least untill the sun expands and vaporizes earth in about 5billion or so years.

[Pizmo]

Postat inițial de フル メタル アルケミス:

the top of a wheel has to go faster than the bottom to move forward

I don't know enough about it to really make an intellengent response one way or another about how a bike works. I'm just repeating what I've read and watched in documentaries.

But back to the "natural state of the Earth" and more importantly the climate. You always hear this weather study shows this, and that weather study shows that. All these studies show temperatures increasing and weather patterns changing. But I've never heard anyone even ask the question "What is the sun doing?" Is the current state of the sun normal behavior? It seems necessary (at least to me) to fully understand the thing that supplies the Earths heat before we automatically place the blame for the rising temperatures on human activity

[Thop]

Postat inițial de Sir Dookface McFerretballs:

Personally I say let things happen as they come along and adapt to any "actual" changes, as humans have a terrible record of going in to something with good intentions and having an outcome that just makes things worse in the long run.

When it comes down to it...

The earth will outlast humans no matter what they do if they are here or not...

Well at least untill the sun expands and vaporizes earth in about 5billion or so years.