Windows 11 is great. Windows 7 is not.

[Meatloaf Cocktail]

If your potato PC from 2009 cannot cope then it's time to move on. Windows 11 isn't terrible, your lack of modification or willingness to learn basic adjustments is the problem.

The endless complaints will continue. I look forward to January 2024.

[Wolfgang421]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Sir Jia Xing:

Ursprungligen skrivet av plat:

I know, right? I stand by what I said. If this thread was about browsers, then I would say something about browsers. Use a vpn then which is what many people do, esp. if they go to funky websites.

But modifying Windows itself is something there isn't much enthusiasm for. It's not fun, most likely.

Tbf though, some of us had a BIG problem with Windows 10 before. That's why we went back to Win 7 and stayed with this.

And why I made the switch to linux.

[plat]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Wolfgang421:

And why I made the switch to linux.

Yes. If it fits, run it.

[battlezoby]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Bad 💀 Motha:

Sure you can continue to use that outdated Google Chrome or MS Edge on Win7 with simply no further updates to you, yet the product still works under that OS. Well honesty Valve is the one doing the correct thing, not the other guys. Why do I say this? Because Valve needs to help ensure your account security as a user. They can't do that if you are continuing to use their product on an unsupported OS.

Yes they can... or at least moderately well. Without new software pushed by Microsoft all the time, there are no new holes.

What they can't do is anything on the Microsoft "Support OS's", because Microsoft keep pushing updates onto it and there is no way for the 3rd party to keep up with them on day-by-day basis.

Steam has an estimated income of over one billion dollars per year. That's more than enough to keep thing moderately stable.

That, and as many people have already admitted, they've already an repeated kept support alive for outdated platforms. As the did for XP and VIsta. Isn't Window-7 already "not supported?" There aren't going to be new holes open - obviously it's not secure just as every MS-Windows starting with Win-95 or earlier, but the ability to keep the Steam platform secure on it (if they wanted to, which they don't) would only get easier and easier. Actually, they really don't need to anything since 3rd party anti-virus's can pick up the slack.

Also, intentionally breaking the loader just so uninformed players can't run their local-game offline does nothing whatsoever to help those users. Except that's exactly what there did for XP and Vista, except they didn't admit it then - at least now they're saying "it won't work", last time they said "It will be unsupported" before deliberately pushing a "update" to break them. (Or at least XP, I didn't personally witness the Vista "patch".)

[Wolfgang421]

Ursprungligen skrivet av battlezoby:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Bad 💀 Motha:

Sure you can continue to use that outdated Google Chrome or MS Edge on Win7 with simply no further updates to you, yet the product still works under that OS. Well honesty Valve is the one doing the correct thing, not the other guys. Why do I say this? Because Valve needs to help ensure your account security as a user. They can't do that if you are continuing to use their product on an unsupported OS.

Yes they can... or at least moderately well. Without new software pushed by Microsoft all the time, there are no new holes.

What they can't do is anything on the Microsoft "Support OS's", because Microsoft keep pushing updates onto it and there is no way for the 3rd party to keep up with them on day-by-day basis.

Steam has an estimated income of over one billion dollars per year. That's more than enough to keep thing moderately stable.

That, and as many people have already admitted, they've already an repeated kept support alive for outdated platforms. As the did for XP and VIsta. Isn't Window-7 already "not supported?" There aren't going to be new holes open - obviously it's not secure just as every MS-Windows starting with Win-95 or earlier, but the ability to keep the Steam platform secure on it (if they wanted to, which they don't) would only get easier and easier. Actually, they really don't need to anything since 3rd party anti-virus's can pick up the slack.

Also, intentionally breaking the loader just so uninformed players can't run their local-game offline does nothing whatsoever to help those users. Except that's exactly what there did for XP and Vista, except they didn't admit it then - at least now they're saying "it won't work", last time they said "It will be unsupported" before deliberately pushing a "update" to break them. (Or at least XP, I didn't personally witness the Vista "patch".)

While new holes will not open on themselves new ones will be discovered. Knowing there are no security patches in the pipeline means anyone looking to exploit legacy systems will be able to focus and develop their toolset toward windows 7. This, combined with more and more third party antivirus software - like norton - also dropping support for windows 7 means it will, in fact, become less and less secure as time goes on.

There are plenty of steam games that run just fine without the steam client - PCGamingWiki has a list of "DRM free games on Steam" which detail them. Depending on your tastes YMMV.

Ultimately, while security concerns are likely a factor, the big push is coming from updating the CEF that much of the steam client's web content is built around. As the CEF will stop working on windows 7, so will the steam client built upon it.

[Mr White]

Windows 7 was greet system. Even Vista was once you more Ram. Windows 11 is OK. But Google Chrome has problem with it. That it freezes and never did on Windows 10 or previous systems.

[Crashed]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Dragon Lair:

Windows 7 was greet system. Even Vista was once you more Ram. Windows 11 is OK. But Google Chrome has problem with it. That it freezes and never did on Windows 10 or previous systems.

Is Chrome freezing on you when you have a game running, and are you running a NVIDIA GPU?

[Lord Flashheart]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Meatloaf Cocktail:

If your potato PC from 2009 cannot cope then it's time to move on. Windows 11 isn't terrible, your lack of modification or willingness to learn basic adjustments is the problem.

The endless complaints will continue. I look forward to January 2024.

Neither are great.
So windows 7 - old with no more support, which is dngerous to use, unless there is zero networking & no USB storage devices are attached.

Widnows 11 - still unfinished with various issue.

[battlezoby]

Ursprungligen skrivet av M. Rockatansky:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Meatloaf Cocktail:

If your potato PC from 2009 cannot cope then it's time to move on. Windows 11 isn't terrible, your lack of modification or willingness to learn basic adjustments is the problem.

The endless complaints will continue. I look forward to January 2024.

Neither are great.
So windows 7 - old with no more support, which is dngerous to use
Widnows 11 - still unfinished with various issue.

Yea, Win-11 has problems like it's dangerious to use.

Get a clue... Microsoft leave the vulnerabilities in intentionally.

That's why the OS doesn't have a build in chroot or jail, even though Unix had chroot back in 1979[en.wikipedia.org]!

What do you think, they care about security, but haven't gotten around to putting in chroot in the past 44 years because security is on top of their "to do list"?!??!

[lailaamell]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Meatloaf Cocktail:

If your potato PC from 2009 cannot cope then it's time to move on. Windows 11 isn't terrible, your lack of modification or willingness to learn basic adjustments is the problem.

The endless complaints will continue. I look forward to January 2024.

And linux is even better

[GrizzGolf]

Windows 2000 was underrated

[ChickenBalls]

Windows 11 is great. Windows 7 is not.

Windows 10 debloated is the best.
Same DX12 as win11 and as good or better when playing games.