Gaming on Linux still sucks massive ass

[sudopacman]

There is nothing anyone can say to convince me otherwise, I just came here to rant.

I've used Arch Linux for nearly ten years now, I'm no slouch. In the past few years I've heard about all these great improvements, proton et al... what a farce. It doesn't seem to support any major games on Linux, at the very least not over Steam Play.

It has taken me 3 days to get an AMD card working (RX 6600), then it took another two to get an Xbox One controller working over bluetooth.

♥♥♥♥ anyone who says gaming on Linux is not a complete an utter waste of time and energy. All of this tinkering I don't mind doing, but I want to see an outcome.

The only game I can play is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Portal AND THE ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ RADIAL CONTROL INVERSION DOESN'T WORK!!!

The new SteamOS is being actively developed and the client STILL sucks ♥♥♥♥ on Arch. Like wtf is it going to take? How much effort? How much screaming into the void must we do to get Linux gaming dragged into the 21st ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ century... and before anyone says anything about the intrinsic nature of games on Linux: you're wrong. There is NO REASON why games cannot or should not work on Linux.

[Scheneighnay]

Publicado originalmente por sudopacman:

Publicado originalmente por Scheneighnay:

Linux's single biggest problem is its community, which will always insist their distro is perfect and that every flaw is some 3rd party's fault and there's nothing left to improve.

Meanwhile the developers focus on adding gimmicks instead of fixing glaring issues.

I too am sick of the fart-sniffing uppity nonsense in Linux. Though, and this is ironic, the Arch community are actually one of the most helpful. They're a little brutal at times but if you give them the right info they will help you. I have had so many issues over the years and there are two specific ppl on the forums that consistently come to my aid (and won't take my money despite my insistence).

Valve is the only competent Linux developer, change my mind.

Ooft them's fightin words lol... systemd, Xorg foundation, netctl, (endless list of utilities here including curl, core-utils etc)... as a SYSTEM it's fantastic, as a DESKTOP its ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ awful haha

I've tried Garuda in the past and was still disappointed, though I've been told my main complaint about the lack of auto scroll comes from gnome.

That being said, I don't really buy the argument from a couple posts back that "nobody would use windows if they weren't coerced", because distros like Ubuntu are still on Vista levels of functionality.
Windows is struggling to properly replace legacy software, but it's a genuinely good product.

[WarnerCK]

Publicado originalmente por Scheneighnay:

I don't really buy the argument from a couple posts back that "nobody would use windows if they weren't coerced"

It's not my position, it's Microsoft's. Read the Halloween Documents. I thought Windows was fine when I last used it; I just liked using Linux more. Microsoft have an insane amount of money and an army of extremely talented engineers, but they often don't utilise that to simply make their products better, preferring to do other things instead.

[Scheneighnay]

Publicado originalmente por WarnerCK:

Publicado originalmente por Scheneighnay:

I don't really buy the argument from a couple posts back that "nobody would use windows if they weren't coerced"

It's not my position, it's Microsoft's. Read the Halloween Documents. I thought Windows was fine when I last used it; I just liked using Linux more. Microsoft have an insane amount of money and an army of extremely talented engineers, but they often don't utilise that to simply make their products better, preferring to do other things instead.

I've been following their problems for almost the last decade, and Microsoft definitely improves their products a hell of a lot, given time to.

As for DirectX, the only reason I can think of is that it's not cross-platform is to keep a software edge over Sony by making it easier to port games to Xbox than to Playstation.

Which may soon come to an end because A. Vulkan, and B. Xboxes are even more similar to PCs now and they'll still hold that edge even with cross-platform DX

[WarnerCK]

Publicado originalmente por Scheneighnay:

As for DirectX, the only reason I can think of is that it's not cross-platform is to keep a software edge over Sony by making it easier to port games to Xbox than to Playstation.

The Xbox is another moat. It's literally the "DirectX box." If gamers were to all use PlayStations, which could easily expand to media functions, social functions, Internet functions, and other computing tasks (and, ultimately, people did make clusters of PS3s for compute tasks), then developers don't need to target Windows and they don't need to target DirectX, and some moats have been breached. So Microsoft sunk a huge amount of money into making a games console that used Windows and DirectX, so that game developers would remain dependent on the Microsoft ecosystem.

[Scheneighnay]

Publicado originalmente por WarnerCK:

Publicado originalmente por Scheneighnay:

As for DirectX, the only reason I can think of is that it's not cross-platform is to keep a software edge over Sony by making it easier to port games to Xbox than to Playstation.

The Xbox is another moat. It's literally the "DirectX box." If gamers were to all use PlayStations, which could easily expand to media functions, social functions, Internet functions, and other computing tasks (and, ultimately, people did make clusters of PS3s for compute tasks), then developers don't need to target Windows and they don't need to target DirectX, and some moats have been breached. So Microsoft sunk a huge amount of money into making a games console that used Windows and DirectX, so that game developers would remain dependent on the Microsoft ecosystem.

That seems backwards. Microsoft doesn't benefit from directX exclusivity in the PC space but rather in the console space.

It's not like they have any reason to be afraid of Linux gaining access to it.

[Joe Biden]

Publicado originalmente por sudopacman:

3 days to get an AMD card working (RX 6600), then it took another two to get an Xbox One controller working over bluetooth.

Just seems like a skill issue to me.

[AbedsBrother]

Publicado originalmente por sudopacman:

Publicado originalmente por AbedsBrother:

How? Why?


Linux gaming is definitely not what it's cracked up to be, but if all you can play is Portal you're doing something wrong.

Over steam play. Doom, Halo, Destiny, all crash on launch. No logs. It just became too painful. I was probably doing something wrong but I did try a LOT of stuff as usual. I ended up switching to Windows and it's still got some ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ case in point: https://steamcommunity.com/groups/homestream/discussions/0/1696049513769785227/

Super dumb in the bum. Why support an entire ecosystem then have stupid remote access workarounds for a common platform? Stuff like that is why I avoid Windows. At least Linux has a resource and culture excuse, Microsoft are just retarded.

Destiny has Battleye anti-cheat, so that failing to run isn't a surprise.

Halo has Easy Anti-Cheat. Proton compatibility for EAC is new and may not be fully implemented. Even then, HaloMCC in Mod mode (which disables EAC) will run through Proton. That means no achievements or out-of-the-box multiplayer, which sucks obv.

DOOM (2016) should run without issue, at least is did for me with Proton 5.0-10

The AMD thing is the biggest surprise from your post. The Radeon drivers are included with the Linux kernel, there's almost nothing to set up. Might have to choose between RADV and AMDVLK, but afaik that's it (always choose RADV btw).

[Scheneighnay]

Publicado originalmente por AbedsBrother:

Publicado originalmente por sudopacman:

Over steam play. Doom, Halo, Destiny, all crash on launch. No logs. It just became too painful. I was probably doing something wrong but I did try a LOT of stuff as usual. I ended up switching to Windows and it's still got some ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ case in point: https://steamcommunity.com/groups/homestream/discussions/0/1696049513769785227/

Super dumb in the bum. Why support an entire ecosystem then have stupid remote access workarounds for a common platform? Stuff like that is why I avoid Windows. At least Linux has a resource and culture excuse, Microsoft are just retarded.

Destiny has Battleye anti-cheat, so that failing to run isn't a surprise.

Halo has Easy Anti-Cheat. Proton compatibility for EAC is new and may not be fully implemented. Even then, HaloMCC in Mod mode (which disables EAC) will run through Proton. That means no achievements or out-of-the-box multiplayer, which sucks obv.

DOOM (2016) should run without issue, at least is did for me with Proton 5.0-10

The AMD thing is the biggest surprise from your post. The Radeon drivers are included with the Linux kernel, there's almost nothing to set up. Might have to choose between RADV and AMDVLK, but afaik that's it (always choose RADV btw).

I've had video driver jank on some distros as well. One notable one made my GPU fan always run at full speed for no reason.

[WarnerCK]

Publicado originalmente por Scheneighnay:

That seems backwards.

Then you don't understand Microsoft strategy, and you haven't read the Halloween Documents.

[Joe Biden]

Publicado originalmente por sudopacman:

Publicado originalmente por AbedsBrother:

How? Why?


Linux gaming is definitely not what it's cracked up to be, but if all you can play is Portal you're doing something wrong.

Over steam play. Doom, Halo, Destiny, all crash on launch. No logs. It just became too painful. I was probably doing something wrong but I did try a LOT of stuff as usual. I ended up switching to Windows and it's still got some ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ case in point: https://steamcommunity.com/groups/homestream/discussions/0/1696049513769785227/

Super dumb in the bum. Why support an entire ecosystem then have stupid remote access workarounds for a common platform? Stuff like that is why I avoid Windows. At least Linux has a resource and culture excuse, Microsoft are just retarded.

have you tried looking into kernel parameters for your specific motherboard, it might be trying to access something your computer just blatantly doesn't support. Like, for example, my laptop is completely unstable with Arch Linux unless you put

quiet acpi_osi=Linux idle=nomwait

into /etc/modprobe.d/

[Scheneighnay]

Publicado originalmente por WarnerCK:

Publicado originalmente por Scheneighnay:

That seems backwards.

Then you don't understand Microsoft strategy, and you haven't read the Halloween Documents.

Why would they waste resources combatting their least-threatening "rival" rather than their most threatening.

[Joe Biden]

Publicado originalmente por sudopacman:

Also, Linux is made for gaming... what do you think Stadia was developed on?

What are you? ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ stupid? Linux was designed first and foremost as a workstation and server kernel, oftentimes pushing the very fabric of what you can do with janky old hardware without the need to upgrade to newer hardware. It was designed as a cost reduction for offices who couldn't afford getting new hardware. Gaming on linux is just a bonus, all things considered.

[WarnerCK]

Publicado originalmente por Scheneighnay:

Publicado originalmente por WarnerCK:

Then you don't understand Microsoft strategy, and you haven't read the Halloween Documents.

Why would they waste resources combatting their least-threatening "rival" rather than their most threatening.

At least you realise that you don't understand, now. If you're only aware of 10 years of Microsoft history it's not surprising that you're having trouble following along.

[Scheneighnay]

Publicado originalmente por ivory:

Publicado originalmente por sudopacman:

Also, Linux is made for gaming... what do you think Stadia was developed on?

What are you? ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ stupid? Linux was designed first and foremost as a workstation and server kernel, oftentimes pushing the very fabric of what you can do with janky old hardware without the need to upgrade to newer hardware. It was designed as a cost reduction for offices who couldn't afford getting new hardware. Gaming on linux is just a bonus, all things considered.

Has to be a joke considering they're referencing ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Stadia.

Publicado originalmente por WarnerCK:

Publicado originalmente por Scheneighnay:

Why would they waste resources combatting their least-threatening "rival" rather than their most threatening.

At least you realise that you don't understand, now. If you're only aware of 10 years of Microsoft history it's not surprising that you're having trouble following along.

Not an argument

[sudopacman]

Publicado originalmente por ivory:

Publicado originalmente por sudopacman:

Also, Linux is made for gaming... what do you think Stadia was developed on?

What are you? ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ stupid? Linux was designed first and foremost as a workstation and server kernel, oftentimes pushing the very fabric of what you can do with janky old hardware without the need to upgrade to newer hardware. It was designed as a cost reduction for offices who couldn't afford getting new hardware. Gaming on linux is just a bonus, all things considered.

Linux is made for whatever you throw it at... equating a broad scope of commonly intended purpose with something it can achieve on top of that basic functionality is illogical. Linux is just a kernel, just a library of hardware support. Just code.

Mostly everything else of consequence related to gaming is common between Windows and Linux. Save for DirectX. Like I said, there is no reason to not "allow" (which I'll use instead of "support", given that "supporting" Linux is not the hurdle nor a novel pursuit) gaming on Linux. Just stupidity coupled with greed, breeding non-sequitars.

Btw cheers for the suggestion but PCI passthrough from Proxmox works just fine, I'm actually playing now on a Win10 VM. For Linux it took ages to figure out how to make X use is as the default card but I got there in the end. It was the crashing games I listed above that was the last straw for me.