Does the ASUS ROG Strix SCAR 18(2024) Gaming Laptop GPU AND CPU come with both liquid metal or thermal paste ?

[Darksider]

Thinking of taking it to my nearest microcenter and having them replace whatever is on the cpu and gpu

[Crawl]

I haven't opened mine up to check but its supposed to be liquid metal on the cpu and gpu (13980HX / 4080 model).

I do wonder why you feel it would need to be replaced on a laptop that is less than a year old.

[kingjames488]

wtf is "liquid metal"? they coating it with mercury?

even if they are, thermal paste has a superior thermal conductivity according to google... like 8.3W/mK v.s. 70W/mK

[Komarimaru]

Publicado originalmente por Kamikaze:

Thinking of taking it to my nearest microcenter and having them replace whatever is on the cpu and gpu

Liquid metal I believe. Should be fine for some time.

Publicado originalmente por kingjames488:

wtf is "liquid metal"? they coating it with mercury?

even if they are, thermal paste has a superior thermal conductivity according to google... like 8.3W/mK v.s. 70W/mK

Yes, that shows liquid metal is superior at thermal conductivity.

Liquid metal is a more modern thermal solution, though more dangerous is not contained properly with superior results than standard thermal paste.

[kingjames488]

Publicado originalmente por Komarimaru:

Publicado originalmente por Kamikaze:

Thinking of taking it to my nearest microcenter and having them replace whatever is on the cpu and gpu

Liquid metal I believe. Should be fine for some time.

Publicado originalmente por kingjames488:

wtf is "liquid metal"? they coating it with mercury?

even if they are, thermal paste has a superior thermal conductivity according to google... like 8.3W/mK v.s. 70W/mK

Yes, that shows liquid metal is superior at thermal conductivity.

Liquid metal is a more modern thermal solution, though more dangerous is not contained properly with superior results than standard thermal paste.

actually it's an older thermal solution... thermal compounds used to be metallic suspensions except they'd short out your chips if you got it in the wrong spot.

the revolution was non-conductive thermal compounds.

[Komarimaru]

Publicado originalmente por kingjames488:

Publicado originalmente por Komarimaru:

Liquid metal I believe. Should be fine for some time.




Yes, that shows liquid metal is superior at thermal conductivity.

Liquid metal is a more modern thermal solution, though more dangerous is not contained properly with superior results than standard thermal paste.

actually it's an older thermal solution... thermal compounds used to be metallic suspensions except they'd short out your chips if you got it in the wrong spot.

the revolution was non-conductive thermal compounds.

Like I said, liquid metal comes with the risk of damaging components since conductive. But it is the superior solution in all regards for temperature control if applied correctly.

Not to be used without proper knowledge of application, cleanup and containment. Why the PS5 uses a barrier around the die to keep it contained and minimize damage from leaking.

[kingjames488]

Publicado originalmente por Komarimaru:

Publicado originalmente por kingjames488:

actually it's an older thermal solution... thermal compounds used to be metallic suspensions except they'd short out your chips if you got it in the wrong spot.

the revolution was non-conductive thermal compounds.

Like I said, liquid metal comes with the risk of damaging components since conductive. But it is the superior solution in all regards for temperature control if applied correctly.

Not to be used without proper knowledge of application, cleanup and containment. Why the PS5 uses a barrier around the die to keep it contained and minimize damage from leaking.

it's an older tech though.

also thermal paste is over-hyped and largely not that big of a deal... the whole top of the chip is a heat spreader.

IMO you should not be so concerned with the paste on there and just leave it... but you're ofc free to pay for w.e you want.

[Komarimaru]

Publicado originalmente por kingjames488:

Publicado originalmente por Komarimaru:

Like I said, liquid metal comes with the risk of damaging components since conductive. But it is the superior solution in all regards for temperature control if applied correctly.

Not to be used without proper knowledge of application, cleanup and containment. Why the PS5 uses a barrier around the die to keep it contained and minimize damage from leaking.

it's an older tech though.

also thermal paste is over-hyped and largely not that big of a deal... the whole top of the chip is a heat spreader.

IMO you should not be so concerned with the paste on there and just leave it... but you're ofc free to pay for w.e you want.

Well, for consumer use, it's quite a modern technology actually especially compared to the archaic thermal paste solutions we've had access to for the past two decades.

Though, would never advise to not use thermal paste. A good thermal paste can well exceed a difference of 15C or more in difference vs none, especially on newer CPU's that are quite hot. If you're rocking an Intel or AMD from 2010, the difference won't be as large since such low thermal emission compared to modern die.

[kingjames488]

Publicado originalmente por Komarimaru:

Well, for consumer use, it's quite a modern technology actually especially compared to the archaic thermal paste solutions we've had access to for the past two decades.

man, it's not new... I remember muckin around with those big ol metal transistors that were coated in the white non-metalic themal compound in the 90s ffs.

I'm pretty confident this is some marketing hype you're buying into... "liquid metal" thermal compound is not a revolution in cooling.

[Komarimaru]

Publicado originalmente por kingjames488:

Publicado originalmente por Komarimaru:

Well, for consumer use, it's quite a modern technology actually especially compared to the archaic thermal paste solutions we've had access to for the past two decades.

man, it's not new... I remember muckin around with those big ol metal transistors that were coated in the white non-metalic themal compound in the 90s ffs.

I'm pretty confident this is some marketing hype you're buying into... "liquid metal" thermal compound is not a revolution in cooling.

Oh, seems you're not aware of what liquid metal is then for a thermal interface material. It was never used in transistors, due to being conductive, though was used in special cooling situations from NASA and other space technology and higher industrial cooling solutions. That white compound you found, was indeed a found in transistors though and acted like a TIM to draw the heat out to the cover be sealing the air gaps but far different from what we call thermal paste for CPU's today.

You can research it later on at your own leisure to learn more and educate yourself on what liquid metal is, or not since seems going heavily off topic. Just seems you want to argue really.

[kingjames488]

Publicado originalmente por Komarimaru:

That white compound you found, was indeed a found in transistors though and acted like a TIM to draw the heat out to the cover be sealing the air gaps but far different from what we call thermal paste for CPU's today.

that's literally what a thermal paste is and does... draws heat out and seals the air gaps.

it's just one of those things I don't think matters, but as I said if you want to pay for it have at er.

[Darksider]

Publicado originalmente por Crawl:

I haven't opened mine up to check but its supposed to be liquid metal on the cpu and gpu (13980HX / 4080 model).

I do wonder why you feel it would need to be replaced on a laptop that is less than a year old.

GPU and CPU getting hot CPU 96c & Gpu 88c thinking it's due to this hot summer weather that's causing it idk

[smokerob79]

Publicado originalmente por kingjames488:

wtf is "liquid metal"? they coating it with mercury?

even if they are, thermal paste has a superior thermal conductivity according to google... like 8.3W/mK v.s. 70W/mK

this^^ guy truly is new....NOTHING beats liquid metal on heat transfer....NOTHING......nothing from the 90's will even touch what thermal paste made today can do.....

before you waste more people's time with delusional responses understand, liquid metal is 10 times the thermal conduction then thermal paste....and that is the worst liquid metal VS the best thermal paste on the market.....

[Crawl]

Publicado originalmente por Kamikaze:

Publicado originalmente por Crawl:

I haven't opened mine up to check but its supposed to be liquid metal on the cpu and gpu (13980HX / 4080 model).

I do wonder why you feel it would need to be replaced on a laptop that is less than a year old.

GPU and CPU getting hot CPU 96c & Gpu 88c thinking it's due to this hot summer weather that's causing it idk

To be honest that's just the nature of laptops I don't think a re-paste is going to change that. I will say that I under volted my cpu (-30 offset which is the max Asus allows in their bios) and gaming I'm usually in the 70s on cpu and gpu.

[A&A]

Laptop... No manifacture will risk trade having liquid metal (better thermal performance) for less reliability (more service and possibility of other problems)

[Crawl]

Publicado originalmente por A&A:

Laptop... No manifacture will risk trade having liquid metal (better thermal performance) for less reliability (more service and possibility of other problems)

Who is talking about trades? I don't think manufacturers have an issue with liquid metal since they are the ones using it. They also usually have some form of gasket to keep the liquid metal from getting into places it shouldn't. Liquid metal failures are almost always some person who thought they knew what they were doing and end up making a mess.