Windows 7 support ends?? wtf??

[Dutchgamer1982]

My gaming pc still runs windows 7.. this was a willfull chooise.. as windows 10 does not support many of the games I like to run.

I just read steam will stop supporting windows 7 Big red banner..
what exactly does that mean?

-can I still install/play my games just not recieve any updates??
-can I still reinstal the last working version of steam for windows 7 after this date?
-can I still install/reinstal my games under windows 7 after this date?
-can I still play my library under windows 7 after this date?

**installing every game in my library and play in offline mode only.. is ofcourse possible..
would likely need to buy a much larger m.2 for that though+an external drive for a backup.
-Or does even the offline launcher no longer work after this date?

Is this a FORCED update to windows 10?? rendering twothirds of my games unplayable?
**upgrading to windows 11 is out of the question, hardware not new enough
**installing my entire library will be very costly.

WTF steam WTF..

please give me more info..

-can I somehow like I still use windows 7.. keep using my games on steam under windows 7 after the deadline on this scary red banner hits?

[plat]

Well, I believe a lot of Windows 7-era machines had 32 bit cpu/s. You need a 64 bit cpu to run Windows 11. No work-arounds there for sure.

If OP has that, he can move to Windows 11 and use the work-arounds to get past the tpm and pre-Coffee Lake processor requirements.

But from a feasibility standpoint, I suggest to move to Windows 10. It's still free to do that, I believe. By the time EOL for 10 rolls around in Sept. (or whatever) 2025, it's possible one would need to upgrade hardware then anyway.

[emoticorpse]

I'm not trying to argue against your argument, but your claim of "rendering 2/3rds of your games unplayable" or something like that. Is that 2/3rd of the games you play a lot of 2/3rds of your whole list?. Because from what I can tell you've never even touched a lot of your games?

[Illusion of Progress]

Originally posted by plat:

Well, I believe a lot of Windows 7-era machines had 32 bit cpu/s.

Not really, no. Windows 7 64-bit has over an order of magnitude (that's a lot) more users on it than does Windows 7 32-bit, at least within the Steam population. I'm not sure if that same disparity existed when Windows 7 was more used and still supported, but I'm fairly sure it still leaned heavily towards 64-bit even if it wasn't by the same amount.

You need something really old, like an early Pentium 4 (even later ones supported 64-bit) or Athlon XPs , to not have 64-bit, at least for desktop stuff. And that's basically stuff that is two decades old.

I imagine few people are running Windows 7 still due to only having 32-bit CPU support. I imagine even the majority of the 32-bit installs aren't using it for that reason, but more for software support reasons (or just not knowing and using what it came with).

[Dutchgamer1982]

Originally posted by ★Sinon★ <3:

Originally posted by Dutchgamer1982:

try buying a win10 licence now.. very hard too.. and 11 will not work on older hardware even if thats a cpu as potent as an X99 platform with an 10 core 6950x

You can still upgrade to Windows 10 for free if your Windows 7 license is genuine.
Its even possible to activate Windows 11 with Windows 7 keys as well as the licensing model hasn't changed at all.

and even then, cheap OEM keys exist.

I aint going to swap in a full retail windows 7 ultimate key.. for an oem key.
-I want to keep full retail

[Dutchgamer1982]

Originally posted by emoticorpse:

I'm not trying to argue against your argument, but your claim of "rendering 2/3rds of your games unplayable" or something like that. Is that 2/3rd of the games you play a lot of 2/3rds of your whole list?. Because from what I can tell you've never even touched a lot of your games?

I indeed did not touch a lot of my games... as i didn't have the time so far.

[Dutchgamer1982]

Originally posted by emoticorpse:

So you're willing to move to Windows 11 (apart from the technicalities that apparently seem to be blocking you from doing that) but not willing to move to Windows 10?

I am willing to install a dual install...
-and old hardware (even powerfull hardware) does not support windows 11.

[Dutchgamer1982]

Originally posted by plat:

Well, I believe a lot of Windows 7-era machines had 32 bit cpu/s. You need a 64 bit cpu to run Windows 11. No work-arounds there for sure.

If OP has that, he can move to Windows 11 and use the work-arounds to get past the tpm and pre-Coffee Lake processor requirements.

But from a feasibility standpoint, I suggest to move to Windows 10. It's still free to do that, I believe. By the time EOL for 10 rolls around in Sept. (or whatever) 2025, it's possible one would need to upgrade hardware then anyway.

eh.. no very much very expensive and high end hardware, like my 10 core i7 6950x on an X99 motherboard.. are still considered "to old" for windows 11

[emoticorpse]

When you said "Windows 10 doesn't support my games" or something like that, do you say this because you tried them and they didn't work on Windows 10 or you're just going off of like the "supported oses" or something list on each game's spec page?

[Dutchgamer1982]

Originally posted by emoticorpse:

When you said "Windows 10 doesn't support my games" or something like that, do you say this because you tried them and they didn't work on Windows 10 or you're just going off of like the "supported oses" or something list on each game's spec page?

-under family sharing on other systems, they do not run.

[emoticorpse]

Originally posted by Dutchgamer1982:

Originally posted by emoticorpse:

When you said "Windows 10 doesn't support my games" or something like that, do you say this because you tried them and they didn't work on Windows 10 or you're just going off of like the "supported oses" or something list on each game's spec page?

-under family sharing on other systems, they do not run.

Can you give me like one or two examples? I want to possibly check for myself. I trust you and all. I would like to experiment for myself and see something. I know I can see your games list but I want to know just a couple that you know for sure are the ones that didn't actually work.

[plat]

Originally posted by Dutchgamer1982:

eh.. no very much very expensive and high end hardware, like my 10 core i7 6950x on an X99 motherboard.. are still considered "to old" for windows 11

eef! OK never mind lol! Well, Windows 10 will be waiting for you w/open arms should you ever decide to move there before 2025.

[Illusion of Progress]

Originally posted by Dutchgamer1982:

I aint going to swap in a full retail windows 7 ultimate key.. for an oem key.
-I want to keep full retail

Using your Windows 7 retail product key should give you a retail version of Windows 10 and/or 11 as far as I know.

If your platform/CPU doesn't officially support Windows 11 due to lacking TPM requirements, Windows 10 will, and it will be supported until at least late 2025, so for a little over another two and a half years, at which point that CPU/platform will be 9 and a half years old (and I somewhat expect there may be an extension on Windows 10 support; it all depends on how many people are still using it when that time draws near).

Alternatively, Windows 11 will "work" on it too, though I absolutely don't blame you for not wanting to run it that way, as I wouldn't either.

[Illusion of Progress]

Originally posted by plat:

eef!

Waaah, haha!

Okay I almost read this as something else.

[PopinFRESH]

@OP, this isn't just going to be Valve btw. They aren't just doing this to yolo spite users. This is a result of Google removing support for those platforms from the Chromium that Valve uses as the base for the embedded browser for the Steam Client.

So you will also no longer be able to get updates for any other browser or application that uses Chromium as their foundation.

[emoticorpse]

Originally posted by PopinFRESH:

@OP, this isn't just going to be Valve btw. They aren't just doing this to yolo spite users. This is a result of Google removing support for those platforms from the Chromium that Valve uses as the base for the embedded browser for the Steam Client.

So you will also no longer be able to get updates for any other browser or application that uses Chromium as their foundation.

I'll play devil's advocate here. I kind of disagree. Steam relying on some 3rd party browser and running a business that relies on this free browser and in effect letting the developers of the browser they choose to control when Steam abandon's support for an OS seems kind of irresponsible. They're basically being subsidized by that browser and that is a huge deal if their platform can't even run without a web browser at all. What if all web browsers suddenly went under?. Then what would Steam do?.

This also doesn't excuse them bailing on all their hardware does it? They can't blame the browser though or the OS?

I mean, can't they just like simply disable the browser function by code? Let people on older OSES still use the platform but without browser functionality?. I guess not because then they can't repeatedly hijack everyone's Steam application back to the Steam Store ever time you try to navigate somewhere lol.

Might be more complicated but who knows.