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Hopefully Win 12 will be decent if this pattern is followed.
No one has had real issues with Win11. It's basically the same as 10 but with some improvements.
You will have a much better experience with an ssd, believe me. If you upgrade your drive first, then it's simply a matter of finding the right tutorial to get around the requirements for tpm and supported cpu and board. If you don't like it, simply go back to 10.
I would not place so much anticipation on Windows 12 myself unless you support a lot of embedded AI. That's the direction Windows is going in.
Windows 11- have not had very many technical issues at all myself. And I run the beta Insiders which is inherently more risky (at times) than the releases.
dont judge by this time now
more restrictions.
Some settings are harder to find.
There is more advertisement.
but essentially Windows 11 could indeed have been a feature update to 10. It's more or less the same on the core.
But... they did do things to make people grab it, for example:
they increased the Direct X version number, so that now games get locked to Windows 11 only.
They also replaced Paint with a more modern Paint tool, so that you can.... draw I guess, with a mouse. xd (Unless you're an artist you likely don't have a draw pad)
They made the calculator look... different at least (idk if it is nicer)
They made WSL faster. (and hope people take windows 11 over linux that way)
(WSL is a compatibility layer for Linux applications; kinda like what WINE and Proton try to do for Windows applications on Linux.)
(But.. WINE has no enormous funding and team behind it... so idk what microsoft is trying with that.)
(WSL could very well backfire and cause people to hop onto linux now that they know how linux apps work xd)
Windows 11 also has an Android App compatibility layer, allowing you to run Fate Grand Order on your system without a phone.
but of course, the system uses Edge (and thus Chrome) everywhere, so uhm, ...
and does stuff without you knowing up front (and without asking permission)
including immediately sending data to Valve for whatever reason, and you didn't install Steam yet.
But yeah--
What is also odd is that a lot of the base code for windows 11 is a version upgrade of what was on Windows Xp.
So essentially, it also has base code of Windows 7 and as others have claimed, could have just as easily been an update as such, but like...
One reason why the release a Product people have to buy a large sum for is to make it seem like it 'relatively' took a lot of effort to get there. It is also to 'renew' the reputation of the product.
If they release windows 11 as a feature update, then it is a Hit or Miss situation.
and the reputational damage to windows 10 would be hard to recover from.
On the other hand, if Windows 10 has a bad reputation, Windows 11 could be fixing that.
That is the reason why 8.1 became a separate release instead of an update. (windows 8 had too much damage, no one wanted to buy it.)
Also by releasing it as a separate product, they can force a specific registry configuration and settings to people without issues.
Anyway, they're not that interested in people buying the OS and assume most buy a laptop which they know will work optimally with the OS preinstalled from an OEM partner; that is their primary goal with the OS they release usually.
Edit: @Anyone who wants to install Windows 11 (or 10)
Windows doesn't come with drivers up front (except stock drivers which do a minimum task). These are disabled during install (usually)
This means that your system might get very hot (and may get mechanical damage due to the heat as such) during installation. Make sure you cool the system properly. (your fans will not be controlled by the installation environment, and the UEFI bios steps in very late).
Laptops will be cooking hot, as such.
The installation could shorten the lifespan of your device if you don't cool it properly.
You can turn off a lot of tracking. Because I upgraded from 10 to 11 just today it was already turned off.
Do you have examples of these restrictions? Is it something that might affect the average?
I know cheaters have complained because after seeing the Wiggle video about cheating in Tarkov you could see cheaters complain about Win10 and Win11 making it harder for them.
Settings being hard to find is most likely them just moving them. Annoying but not a big deal. Usually you just need to be in there a few times a year. You can always search the control panel too.
I don't see any advertisement. All though TikTok was installed but I promptly uninstalled it right away. I could remove widgets, search bar and extra stuff in the start menu.
There is a new DX version? Google tells me it MIGHT show up this year.
Paint was upgraded in Win10 buuuut it's still just Paint. The 3D Paint was on Win10 too. Both are still basic tools for bare minimum stuff.
The Calculator just got a slight reskin from the Win10 version. Nothing new there.
Linux will never overtake Windows. If Microsoft uses something from Linux it's because that feature is just better. Don't expect the average user to know that a feature was from Linux. They might just think it's a Windows feature if anything.
I don't have Chrome installed because I decline it every single time any program asks. Edge hasn't bothered me about using it because I use Vivaldi. I know my Outlook trying to advertise Edge but I just laughs at it and move on.
As for them being used everywhere? Like Windows Explorer? If so it doesn't bother me because the Window Explorer works as it should.
Also where does it send the data to Valve? I'd love to know what it sends to them before I would even get an account.
It sounds a bit odd to be honest.
Win10 doesn't have a bad rep though. Majority have moved to it and most of them will just move to 11 when they got the hardware.
Win8.1 is a laugh because it's the one version I bought and I believe the start menu was the whole change for it.
They had to rebrand it in hopes to get people to switch.
This I call bs on though.
Fan control is done on the motherboard level in the Bios. Bios that Windows don't alter.
There is also this where when you plugin your fan to a Fan control port it'll power up the fan the moment you start the PC.
The same goes for an AIO water cooler. It'll power the pump, RGB and fans if they are properly connected.
The only thing that might not do this is the graphic card. But there are graphics card that don't keep their fans spinning 24/7 and only start them up when the heat goes up. Personally I don't like that so I use MSI Afterburner to keep them on.
My brother had a bit of issues when he switched his motherboard because it couldn't find the boot drive at all.
So no Windows was detected but the fans started to spin right away upon powering up the PC.
After some fiddling around in Bios he managed to fix it. Oh and even the Graphic card fans where spinning.
here's a text wall reply.
Not the point. It comes with it.
The point of my post was to tell what Microsoft Windows 11 offers over Microsoft Windows 10. So you have these Microsoft Greed Enabled surplus extra features that lets Microsoft earn slightly more money at the cost of your electricity usage and privacy, that you can indeed disable, but the OS does come with them.
Older software fails to work properly on the newer system. In essence this creates a restriction most people will deal with when upgrading.
Other restrictions are, HOSTS file not able to block every address, Edge being unremovable (unless you do a really hard modding job with the OS), System requirements (unable to use the OS without the TPM 2 chip enabled), unless you bypass that (which disables other features), ... like restrictions are relative.
Okay, let me name a simple example.
The LabConfig setting. It is completely hidden, like... you have to be a reader of the microsoft blog to even know about it.
It is a setting that you have to 'create' and 'enable' for it to work.
They move around stuff in the registery indeed, which is where most settings are saved. Very handy for users. Most people don't understand it, that's how obscure it is. Is there a manual? Not really... xd Windows 11 has a couple of new features, and moved some old features in other places inside the maze.
but yeah they created a control panel, a settings app panel, a management console, a administrative tools window, a... folder that, if you give it the right name gives you settings you'd otherwise wouldn't find.
I probably shouldn't mention the mess that is PowerShell and the commandline interface. There is some stuff moved from the commandline and some stuff added to... powershell indirectly (because of course it needs to be made harder for a normal user to get that specific info using powershell scripts that they first need basic knowledge of.)
Then you are blind or ignore them.
From the moment you install the system, during the OOBE there is already advertisement flood.
Here's a glimpse into the future: https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/15/22979251/microsoft-file-explorer-ads-windows-11-testing
DX 12.2 (Ultimate) is already there.
Microsoft supporter detected.
the only reason why people have windows is because its preinstalled and they just want something that works and they're used to microsoft.
Microsoft has been copying stuff from Linux and Apple for a long time, but Apple has been copying from Linux more often.
By the way Google did overtake Microsoft succesfully on the Home Computer users market through the cellphone.
Edge is chrome, with some microsoft on top.
Windows 11 relies on Edge for a lot of its UI functions
All we know is that Security Researchers noticed this, but what it sends exactly no one knows.
Valve isn't the only place. Use Google or whatever. You'll find what I am speaking of.
You're not really understanding the context of my post it seems.
I named an example as to what could explain microsoft's behavior, as to why they instead of releasing an update, they release a full new version and make people buy it.
I already know windows 10 doesn't have a bad reputation. Sigh.
Fans
> Intel Dynamic Platform Thermal Framework Driver
Its used in a lot of laptops.
Notice how I said "laptops". They don't have AIO WaterCooling. They also do not have RGB Lightning on their 'case'
Most people don't use a desktop nowadays. Also notice how I said "might", some desktops maybe affected as well. Nonsense it is not.
The Installation environment doesn't have access to the chipset's information. You also need to be a bit more on heads with UEFI, or simply watch youtubers who try install Windows 11 on their laptop while being amazed at how they cannot touch the keyboard.
Also note: just because they spin doesn't mean they keep up with the temperature rise. (spin faster when needed)
Small edit:
You said:
I feel like I am explaining basic computers stuff at this point... but
Do you even know why Microsoft helped develop UEFI?
So that it can alter settings from within Windows, instead of needing to rely on a user to enter the BIOS.
Microsoft Windows can, and will... change your BIOS. The boot priority is a perfect example. When you install Windows, you no longer get to choose which disk is priority 1
also Secure Boot is immediately enabled.
These are BIOS settings.
edit 2: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/bringup/uefi-in-windows
here, a read.
hdr often offers even higher brightness, but not less brightness..
burns my eyes
I think I'll look for a CRT at this rate xd
No clue...
I don't think there is tech in windows 10 or 11 that utulizes it. Maybe some games do.
Seeing how I didn't have any new settings to turn off, it's the same amount in Win10. So most likely no additional tracking.
That is not a "restriction" that is just older software not working on a newer OS. It happens every single time.
Edge will not be used if you switch to another standard browser. I get that you hate it with every inch of your body, but this is ridiculous. If it's not being used you don't need it nuked of the harddrive.
It's also just a standard internet browser. I use it at work and there isn't anything that is bad with it. Just that it miss features. But Chrome for me misses features too and I hear a lot of people loving it. They are basically the same.
Labconfig? Googling about it and I find out it's where you turn off safety features and so that you can install Win11 on your PC while ignoring the hardware limits. That is not something the average user is gonna do. The utter majority are not gonna care about this.
Messing around in the registry is also something the vast majority do not do. You generally will never need to be in there other once in a blue moon.
Most people will never touch the registry.
No, there are no ads for me. I'm not blind. There are just no ads for me.
The upgrade was mainly on a blue background screen with text on and then I was sent into Windows when it was done.
It has nothing to do with liking Microsoft. It's that it works every single time. There is no hassle getting something to work.
On Linux I've seen LinusTechTips do their videos on it when they try out the OS and trying to get their stuff to work.
Problems show up far too often and some even wiping all of the information on the PC.
Linux got a long way to go before it'll ever compete with Windows. That is a fact and even with SteamDeck being real popular it won't change much the moment those users try to use Linux for their daily drive.
Apple is the same thing. Games generally do not work on Apple OS. So I would not be using that either. Also it costs an arm and a leg to own those stuff.
Oh no the horrors!
This affects the users how btw?
Also weird how Chrome is so popular if Edge is basically the same.
Google revealed very little and it's just a lot of crazy ramblings going on.
I tried to find videos on Youtube about Win11 install cooking laptops but all I found was a ton of videos of people suggesting you installing Win11 on old unsupported laptops and they show how it's done. None of them seems to have a warning label on it being bad for you.
So I still call bs on this unless you actually provide proof.
During boot and install it's not gonna use a lot of CPU power. You're not stressing the system in any way.
Editing the actual Bios takes a bit more.
If I want to update my Bios I would need to restart my PC and do the bios update through the bios menu. Some motherboard programs have so you can run a file but you still need to restart.
Boot priority is most likely based on which slot you slot in the harddrives into or SSD into. I had my OS drive plugged into slot 1 and it picked that.
I can change the boot order too if I want.
That link btw did not mention "fans" in any way.
So I still wouldn't say Windows deal with fan control speeds or even touches them. Even on Laptops.
So most of the things you brought up doesn't really affect users. The few stuff that did makes it no difference from Win10. Trying to scare monger people with Laptops that it can cook your system.
What are you buying?
Most Displays I buy have like 6 presets you can easily switch between. One is a "Night" mode so you can easily read in low ambient light or dark room without burning your eyes.