FPS drops since Windows 10

[Lukas]

Hello,

since I started using Windows 10, I have FPS drops in all games. Before I had Windows 8.1 and there were no problems.

I have a fairly old laptop that I bough about 10 years ago. I know, such an old laptop is generally not very suitable for gaming, but for the games I play, it is sufficient. I meet the system requirements of the corresponding games, because as I said they work normally on Windwos 8.1.

I also recently reinstalled Windows 10 cleanly and also installed the latest Windows updates, but no improvement. All drivers are installed as well, nothing is missing according to device manager. Apart from the graphics card driver, I have not installed any driver manually since I only get drivers for Windows 8.1 via the notebook manufacturer's site, but all drivers have been installed automatically by Windows. Previously, an older graphics card driver was installed by Windows, but it wasn't any better with that one. Only the default chipset driver is installed, as there is none for Windows 10, but I have heard that this should not be a problem.

I have done a lot of research but have not found a solution. For example, I disabled Game DVR / the Game Bar from Windows 10, but that didn't help either. My laptop has a dedicated graphics card. I could run an old game with low system requirements with my integrated graphics chip without any problems when I was still using Windows 8.1. Now it doesn't matter if I use the integrated graphics chip or the dedicated graphics card: in both cases I have FPS drops. Another game it affects is Left 4 Dead 2. When I'm just walking around in the game, I have no FPS drops, but as soon as I kill zombies, there are massive FPS drops.

Can it be due to any drivers or maybe my hardware generally doesn't cope with Windows 10? I have an Intel Core i5-3210M and a GeForce GT 635M. Since the problems exist with both the integrated graphics chip and the dedicated graphics card, I think it's due to a different driver or some setting in Windows 10 that doesn't exist in Windows 8.1.

I would switch back to Windows 8.1, but since there are no more security updates, that would obviously come with risks. However, I don't see any other solution, apart from buying a new device.

Do you have any other ideas how I can solve the problem?

Thanks in advance.

[Elucidator]

emoticorpse の投稿を引用：

How old are you? I'm constantly bring up the "blaster worm" because that was crazy and it involved exactly what you're asking. This seriously screwed over a lot of pc's and I saw this for myself.

I mean LITERALLY after a fresh install just after first boot, you got it. Didn't have to click anything, didn't have to do anything. It came to you, like pizza delivery and you couldn't do much about it. This is when I learned about using a firewall to block it. And this was when Windows XP was the newest hottest thing out from MS.

I have a feeling you had to go through this to appreciate it.

I screwed up one word it seems.

Things have changed a lot. You can do without OS level security updates for a while.
It will take a long time before they discover an exploit working on windows 8.1, a system which usage is not very common. It doesn't make much sense to, research (reverse engineer) or try to debug 8.1 with a low userbase to construct a specific virus for it.

Windows wasn't secure till windows got virusses so often that it had to be. That said it still isn't the most secure.

Even if windows doesn't get security updates, windows defender / microsoft security essentials still do.

Security updates patch stuff that could be used as a vulnerability to infect the system or to hack you and gain system previllages.
or are updates meant to simply to prevent the services from BSODing the system at random.


That worm you had was inside your LAN on a different machine, spamming your just connected to the internet system. If not, then it was still on the disk and for whatever reason you enabled it to run at startup.
I mean, windows xp doesn't run scripts at startup.

Meh- if anything happens, you deal with it.


Edit: In the end, the most secure system will likely be a OpenBSD or specific hardened kernel linux distro. This is because they were made later and with security in mind from the get go.

One reason why Microsoft failed at security so hard is because it just allowed everything to be run at any point, no questions asked, even on Admin level. They tried to fix that later at least...
That is why you need to take ownership on some directories for example.

You visit a website with Internet Explorer on Windows XP.
suddenly you have the 'Trojan:JS/NoBrain' on your system spamming messages everywhere.
or "pay now to unlock your system"
meh-
I recall one dumb rootkit breaking MBR and playing rootkit, but like, fix mbr,... fix the kernel, virus is suddenly harmless.

Another virus would cause file deletions and such.
ugh... I also got infected by RATs pretty often, because of course MSN messenger. I also recall people wanted to take over contacts / pretend to be them on my screen. (I never figured out which tool they used to achieve this, but I assume it was an MSN Messager Plus addon or MSN Discovery addon.)
oh messblack (the site providing that nonsense). (Note: All of this is history now, so meh-)

Automatically opening or embedding images with scripts in them and the dumb program just executing the scripts inside the images as code and ... well like I said, the OS just runs stuff without question. (sigh)
Microsoft OSses used to be very insecure, but they are not like that anymore... (running everything no questions asked I mean) most of the time at least.

Just saying, 8.1 isn't XP.
between 8.1, there is 8, 7, Vista and also a couple of Server versions. Microsoft learned.

[kingjames488]

probably not enough ram...

have you tried downloading more ram?

[emoticorpse]

Elucidator の投稿を引用：

emoticorpse の投稿を引用：

How old are you? I'm constantly bring up the "blaster worm" because that was crazy and it involved exactly what you're asking. This seriously screwed over a lot of pc's and I saw this for myself.

I mean LITERALLY after a fresh install just after first boot, you got it. Didn't have to click anything, didn't have to do anything. It came to you, like pizza delivery and you couldn't do much about it. This is when I learned about using a firewall to block it. And this was when Windows XP was the newest hottest thing out from MS.

I have a feeling you had to go through this to appreciate it.

I screwed up one word it seems.

Things have changed a lot. You can do without OS level security updates for a while.
It will take a long time before they discover an exploit working on windows 8.1, a system which usage is not very common. It doesn't make much sense to, research (reverse engineer) or try to debug 8.1 with a low userbase to construct a specific virus for it.

Windows wasn't secure till windows got virusses so often that it had to be. That said it still isn't the most secure.

Even if windows doesn't get security updates, windows defender / microsoft security essentials still do.

Security updates patch stuff that could be used as a vulnerability to infect the system or to hack you and gain system previllages.
or are updates meant to simply to prevent the services from BSODing the system at random.


That worm you had was inside your LAN on a different machine, spamming your just connected to the internet system. If not, then it was still on the disk and for whatever reason you enabled it to run at startup.
I mean, windows xp doesn't run scripts at startup.

Meh- if anything happens, you deal with it.


Edit: In the end, the most secure system will likely be a OpenBSD or specific hardened kernel linux distro. This is because they were made later and with security in mind from the get go.

One reason why Microsoft failed at security so hard is because it just allowed everything to be run at any point, no questions asked, even on Admin level. They tried to fix that later at least...
That is why you need to take ownership on some directories for example.

You visit a website with Internet Explorer on Windows XP.
suddenly you have the 'Trojan:JS/NoBrain' on your system spamming messages everywhere.
or "pay now to unlock your system"
meh-
I recall one dumb rootkit breaking MBR and playing rootkit, but like, fix mbr,... fix the kernel, virus is suddenly harmless.

Another virus would cause file deletions and such.
ugh... I also got infected by RATs pretty often, because of course MSN messenger. I also recall people wanted to take over contacts / pretend to be them on my screen. (I never figured out which tool they used to achieve this, but I assume it was an MSN Messager Plus addon or MSN Discovery addon.)
oh messblack (the site providing that nonsense). (Note: All of this is history now, so meh-)

Automatically opening or embedding images with scripts in them and the dumb program just executing the scripts inside the images as code and ... well like I said, the OS just runs stuff without question. (sigh)
Microsoft OSses used to be very insecure, but they are not like that anymore... (running everything no questions asked I mean) most of the time at least.

Just saying, 8.1 isn't XP.
between 8.1, there is 8, 7, Vista and also a couple of Server versions. Microsoft learned.

I hear you. I think you might be giving modern MS oses a bit too much credit, but I can't blame you for doing that. At first glance Windows security does seem light years ahead of XP and pre-xp days. But at the same time, at this point we have a whole lot more levels of security defending Windows OSes so that it really doesn't even have to put up much of a fight.

When the blaster thing happened I had no router, no home network no protection between me and the net. Not even a software firewall. If you were to put every modern Windows os directly to the net and go back to IE without any adblockers and no firewall and pretty much zero 3rd party protection I'm not so sure something similar would't happen again.

This is very debatable though. You might be right.I think I have a point with all the extra protection getting Windows a lot of credit though. I'm not saying Windows security sucks though, even though it might seem like I'm implying that.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Lukas の投稿を引用：

Bad 💀 Motha の投稿を引用：

I guess you plan to only play "old" games then?

Currently Left 4 Dead 2, Borderlands and San Andreas. It doesn't matter how old the games are. With Windows 10 I had FPS drops in every game and with Windows 8.1 it works great.

Cause your Laptop specs are super old and no longer supported.

[AWT]

Before you go through the trouble of reinstalling, make sure you do the following:
-enable/disable Game Mode (just search for "game mode" in the taskbar), see if that helps
-make sure you are running in "High Performance" mode in Control Panel -> Power Options
-if your dedicated graphics is from NVIDIA, go to NVIDIA Control Panel -> Manage 3D Settings -> set Performance Bias to "Prefer High Performance" (don't forget to click "apply").
Also, remember that Win10 uses more RAM by default than Win8, even if the minimum requirement is officially the same.
Thus all that doesn't help and reinstallation doesn't solve the problem, you may want to upgrade your RAM if you don't want to buy a new computer, (u can get some dirt cheap as 2nd hand or clearance item) and while you're at it, replace the HDD with an SSD if system is still HDD based (you'll be amazed how much performance you can get out of the old device, it'll be faster than when it was new).
If your laptop has access bays on the back (which can usually be accessed by undoing one or two screws), it should be child's play (and only take a few minutes). U just need to make sure the RAM is the right type (DDR3 or DDR4), and rather than mixing two brands/specs you're better off getting a kit of 2.