Why would people buy a Radeon GPU?

[Night FM]

Every GPU comparison site I've used shows that NVIDIA GPUs offer noticeably better performance compared to similarly priced Radeon GPUS.

I currently have a Radeon GPU but I'm thinking of swapping it for an NVIDA in the future. I was just wondering if there are any advantages to using a Radeon GPU since every comparison I've done on them shows that Radeons are inferior with little to know advantages over NVIDIAS.

[🦜Cloud Boy🦜]

Illusion of Progress の投稿を引用：

🦜Cloud Boy🦜 の投稿を引用：

That's what i said 2 comments above.

Yeah, I did notice that, which I found confusing. You stated that, but then your following post was a reply to someone making a comparison between the 6700 XT and RTX 3060 by saying "they aren't competitors because of performance differences". That came off as "your comparison is improper because they don't perform the same" but that's irrelevant. They cost the same.

🦜Cloud Boy🦜 の投稿を引用：

RX 6700xt's MSRP is $480 but AMD is selling it below its MSRP.

Why does MSRP matter if the pricing in reality differs? MSRP has become a more and more meaningless number. The practical price you can buy something for is all that matters. Nobody in their right mind is going to look at a $360 6700 XT and go "oh, well, it's SUPPOSED to be $480 instead so I better just not count it". Like, what? That's silly. If it's $360 then it's $360. The RTX 3060 isn't even supposed to be a nearly $400 GPU either! It's SUPPOSED to be $329 but it sells for close to the $400 MSRP of the RTX 3060 Ti, which itself sells between the MSRP it should have and the MSRP of the RTX 3070, and so on. We can't just go "well it's SUPPOSED to be $329 so I'll count it as that" because it doesn't matter if it's supposed to be $329 if it instead actually exists between $350 to $400 most of the time. We as consumers have to deal with the actual pricing, not the "should be".

RTX 3060 is a different tier card compared to RX 6700xt, the performance gap is 30%+.
AMD is selling the 6700xt far below its MSRP, giving it $100+ discount, that's why these 2 cards came close to each other price-wise, in the current market.

A customer who wants to buy 6700xt, or looking for similar level of performance, obviously won't be satisfied with RTX 3060. Offering him RTX 3060 and then telling him how tremendous value AMD GPUs are compared to Nvidia, is misleading. You are comparing 2 products which aren't made to be compared with each other.

For $450 he can buy 3060Ti, which is a genuine 6700xt competitor, and, also offers some extra like- better RT and DLSS. Suggesting him 3060Ti make better sense than 3060.

[Ghost Robertson]

People talk about good bang for buck with their AMD/ATI GPU's but they don't mind spending more for a high end CPU like an i7 or i9 k series.

like the difference is sometimes $50 for the GPU's but they'll buy a high end CPU for whatever it costs.

If you're building a really good computer then $50 isn't a whole lot for a "slightly" better product.

[Illusion of Progress]

🦜Cloud Boy🦜 の投稿を引用：

RTX 3060 is a different tier card compared to RX 6700xt, the performance gap is 30%+.

Performance does not exist in a vacuum. Money is what is exchanged to obtain these products. Until that changes, pricing will be a factor people can use to compare options.

🦜Cloud Boy🦜 の投稿を引用：

AMD is selling the 6700xt far below its MSRP, giving it $100+ discount, that's why these 2 cards came close to each other price-wise, in the current market.

It doesn't matter why the price is whatever it is. What matters is simply what the price currently is.

🦜Cloud Boy🦜 の投稿を引用：

You are comparing 2 products which aren't made to be compared with each other.

Why aren't they "meant to be" compared? Performance does not exist in a vacuum. I'm seriously confused here as to how you're saying you can't compare things on price. You have to be being obtuse with this?

🦜Cloud Boy🦜 の投稿を引用：

For $450 he can buy 3060Ti, which is a genuine 6700xt competitor, and, also offers some extra like- better RT and DLSS. Suggesting him 3060Ti make better sense than 3060.

When the original two products being compared cost around the $360 to $390 range, then bringing in a $450 alternative is like saying "just spend more".

In the real world, people often have budgets and will simply try and find what is the best within that budget. So products very often get compared on (and thus compete on) price. You can bury your head in the sand on that all you want, but it's the reality. Performance doesn't exist in a vacuum. It's not the the sole or only method to compare options. Yet for some reason, you seem to want to keep pretending it is.

Ghost Robertson の投稿を引用：

People talk about good bang for buck with their AMD/ATI GPU's but they don't mind spending more for a high end CPU like an i7 or i9 k series.

like the difference is sometimes $50 for the GPU's but they'll buy a high end CPU for whatever it costs.

If you're building a really good computer then $50 isn't a whole lot for a "slightly" better product.

One can reason that "$XX isn't a lot", but eventually people reach a point where they've decided you don't want to go higher. After all, you can't reason "it's only $XX" forever, right? Unless you have an unlimited budget, then otherwise, eventually you hit that limit.

[AustrAlien2010]

A custom card model can sometimes be preferable over a reference card model. If the company who manufactures that custom model uses this GPU, and you need that specific model, it could be the only choice you have.

For example, you may want a less noisy fan, improved cooling, more durable conductors, a differently sized card, lower power usage, etcetera. In that case you may need a custom card model, and that model could potentially only come with that GPU, depending on the company that manufactures it.

[A&A]

Illusion of Progress の投稿を引用：

🦜Cloud Boy🦜 の投稿を引用：

AMD is selling the 6700xt far below its MSRP, giving it $100+ discount, that's why these 2 cards came close to each other price-wise, in the current market.

It doesn't matter why the price is whatever it is. What matters is simply what the price currently is.

Video DRAM is getting cheaper and cheaper, this is one of the reasons.

[Guydodge]

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Bishop Black の投稿を引用：

I was just wondering if there are any advantages to using a Radeon GPU

Radeon advantages:
*Often offers the buyer more frames per second per dollar spent, assuming you aren't using ray tracing or DLSS.
*Better for people on Linux. NVIDIA's proprietary drivers for Linux users are kinda bad compared to the open source drivers available to AMD GPU users based on what I've heard (not to mention that AMD is more convenient for the user because as I understand the drivers are rolled into your Linux distro or something, unlike NVIDIA).

The only cases where NVIDIA is better than AMD on GPUs are when it comes to ray tracing and DLSS.

But it's arguable you shouldn't care about that because:

1) Most people can't tell the difference between a game with ray tracing on/off, and the cost to game performance from turning on ray tracing is still massive. There are exceptions that did a great job with ray tracing like Cyberpunk 2077, but those games are still rare.
2) While DLSS does increase your frames per second, the improvement is not without cost because it makes your games look noticeably worse. I've seen game reviewers say they'd rather play games at 4K without DLSS than at 4K with DLSS and ray tracing, depending how much DLSS is applied.

So if you take DLSS and ray tracing off the table which I already established many people don't want; then AMD is simply a better value in terms of providing more frames per second for each dollar spent on your GPU.

At that point, there is no reason to buy NVIDIA.

Here Linus Tech Tips discusses why AMD Radeon 7000 series GPUs are a much better value than NVIDIA's RTX 4000 series GPUs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBJ-vo6Ri9c

wow ..slinging allot of pooh here."most people,people dont want,cant tell the difference"
all just rubbish.both brands have merit with pros and cons.

[[N]ebsun]

Bishop Black の投稿を引用：

Every GPU comparison site I've used shows that NVIDIA GPUs offer noticeably better performance compared to similarly priced Radeon GPUS.

every comparison I've done on them shows that Radeons are inferior with little to know advantages over NVIDIAS.

AMD graphics is better supported for Linux

NVIDIA still works, but they don't really share enough to get the best performance out of their hardware from open source drivers - so either have to choose between installing their proprietary drivers, or use open source drivers which may lag behind in terms of performance and support.

[Illusion of Progress]

A&A の投稿を引用：

Illusion of Progress の投稿を引用：

It doesn't matter why the price is whatever it is. What matters is simply what the price currently is.

Video DRAM is getting cheaper and cheaper, this is one of the reasons.

Sure, prices change a lot and there's often a myriad of possible reasons to it (and good to know on DRAM getting cheaper, which is somewhat unexpected since nVidia has been being stingy on it...). My point there was that from a consumer standpoint, it ultimately doesn't matter why a given price is what it is.

Cloud Boy was seemingly trying to posit that "AMD reduced the price so you can't count it" and that's an excuse if I ever heard one. Nobody goes to look at the market and sees prices and then goes "wait, I better check WHY it's priced that way and rule it out as an option if it's below what it used to be". Like... what? Seriously, what!?

[Tomi Montana]

Illusion of Progress の投稿を引用：

A&A の投稿を引用：

Video DRAM is getting cheaper and cheaper, this is one of the reasons.

Sure, prices change a lot and there's often a myriad of possible reasons to it (and good to know on DRAM getting cheaper, which is somewhat unexpected since nVidia has been being stingy on it...). My point there was that from a consumer standpoint, it ultimately doesn't matter why a given price is what it is.

Cloud Boy was seemingly trying to posit that "AMD reduced the price so you can't count it" and that's an excuse if I ever heard one. Nobody goes to look at the market and sees prices and then goes "wait, I better check WHY it's priced that way and rule it out as an option if it's below what it used to be". Like... what? Seriously, what!?

I agree that the RTX 30 Series was a let down in terms of video memory. I mean, like getting a mid range GPU that could very probably have the horsepower to drive 1080p for a long(er) time (albeit maybe at lowered settings) seems like a child´s play on paper but on reality it´s waaay harder to choose. The RTX 3060 is not that good of a value and is too weak to utilize huge part of it´s memory and the offerings above such as 3060 Ti but really mainly the 3070(Ti) and 3080 are already close to being starved for video memory, especially on higher resolutions such as 4K.
The AMD offerings are very appealing in terms of memory capacity, especially at mid range starting with the somewhat rare silently released RX 6700 10GB Non-XT, but the worse raytracing performance (even if i do not personally have an interest in raytracing) and the rumors (or possibly real issues?) with drivers, which could be lacking behind NVIDIA and they can be kind of a scary factor, especially if you never daily drove an AMD GPU and you have to go off other people´s experiences with drivers.
Oh, and about the concept of buying a GPU for 1080p to stick around it for more years, I was hoping for another ´´GTX 1060´´ type of lifespan, where with the right amount of tinkering with settings you could stick to a mid range offering for a longer especially if you do not mind lower settings and don´t play the latest, juiciest triple A games and that´s all assuming we will live in a perfect world in the next few years where we won´t get a ground breaking technology that would make the older graphics cards simply unable to play newer games, such as a new version of DirectX/Shader Model etc...

[Guydodge]

69-Krakken-69 の投稿を引用：

Paid £860 for my RTX 3070 roughly 1600 dollars, vs 660 for my 6900 XT I own now, yeah I am completely fine at 1440P 165hz thanks.

while im glad to see you didnt overpay for your 6900xt using your 3070 that you overpaid for
big time is irrelevant.if the point is you think the 6900xt is the better cool but the price difference thats on you.

[Guydodge]

69-Krakken-69 の投稿を引用：

Guydodge の投稿を引用：

while im glad to see you didnt overpay for your 6900xt using your 3070 that you overpaid for
big time is irrelevant.

It's relevant to me and the OP asked why would people buy a Radeon.

So the answer is subjective.

thats the biggest gouging ive heard of to date.i paid 1100.00 for a 3080 while i waited on my
evga 3090 in queue.so i get it.but still thats on me

[xSOSxHawkens]

Bishop Black の投稿を引用：

Every GPU comparison site I've used shows that NVIDIA GPUs offer noticeably better performance compared to similarly priced Radeon GPUS.

I currently have a Radeon GPU but I'm thinking of swapping it for an NVIDA in the future. I was just wondering if there are any advantages to using a Radeon GPU since every comparison I've done on them shows that Radeons are inferior with little to know advantages over NVIDIAS.

People go Team Red because Radeon GPU's teypically offer better FPS:$$$ spent at nearly all price points.

Also, not entirely sure what sites you use or look at. For the past couple generations AMD has been pretty strong with them only losing out in RT loading.

If you are looking at benchmarks that are using DLSS on NV and then not using FSR or similar on AMD side then that might be part of the problem. Use Native to Native or DLSS to FSR comparisons only, and not native vs scaled in either direction.

The 6900/6950 were both faster than the 3090/3090ti is traditional game loading, and the same rule went all the way down the stack, with the comparable AMD part typically putting up better performance. Tables would turn when Ray Tracing is used, but that is part of the choice all around I suppose. If RT is important then thats a choice you have to make a call on.

I personally am quite fine with 3090/90ti comparable raw performance, while also packing 2080ti/RTX-Titan levels of RT for multiple hundred (nearly a thousand at the time) less than I would have paid for an NV comparable with my 6900xt.

[Lazer]

The same reason why all major core console manufactures (and Valve) are avoiding Nvidia, they are too expansive and offer less hardware and are hard to deal with.

-AMD is simple cheaper on average for every tier, if it happens so you end up paying more there is probably some costume design by a manufacture involved, like with my Vega 56 Nano edition.

-AMD GPUs constantly have more ram, and I am already experiencing applications where 8 Gigs of VRAM is not enough on 1080p, and Nvidia tried to sell us 6GB-4GB back then.

-AMD offered a better Free Sync solution which was bonus on top for me. They have a better support for Linux, Nvidia doesnt. Your Hardware supports more things with AMD and you pay less for more Hardware than with Nvidia.

[🦜Cloud Boy🦜]

Lazer の投稿を引用：

The same reason why all major core console manufactures (and Valve) are avoiding Nvidia, they are too expansive and offer less hardware and are hard to deal with.

-AMD is simple cheaper on average for every tier, if it happens so you end up paying more there is probably some costume design by a manufacture involved, like with my Vega 56 Nano edition.

-AMD GPUs constantly have more ram, and I am already experiencing applications where 8 Gigs of VRAM is not enough on 1080p, and Nvidia tried to sell us 6GB-4GB back then.

-AMD offered a better Free Sync solution which was bonus on top for me. They have a better support for Linux, Nvidia doesnt. Your Hardware supports more things with AMD and you pay less for more Hardware than with Nvidia.

And yet Nvidia is more popular, has bigger fan base, and sells many times more GPUs than AMD.

Surprise....

[Elucidator]

🦜Cloud Boy🦜 の投稿を引用：

And yet Nvidia is more popular, has bigger fan base, and sells many times more GPUs than AMD.

Surprise....

That... is something indeed. Nvidia has the tendency to drop older cards and focus on the newest. The result being there are more cards and, with it more people buying the next tier more often.
Another thing that people consider is Out Of The Box support, nvidia tends to fail with that. A lot of new games and even Windows itself or BIOS of various motherboards tend to have issues with Nvidia's latest stuff. Its as if they themselves don't test things.


edit:
what I am saying is that it isn't a good sign. If there are more cards, there are more reviews and with more reviews more popularity, more people picking stuff they think is okay.
but it also means less time spend per card, more artificial redundancy issues, more problems, more issues, less support per card, etc.
Nvidia's a known greedy company who loves their wallet more than delivering products.