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Yskas 2022 年 12 月 13 日 下午 10:28
Is 27 inch too big for 1080p?
Hey guys,

I had a 27 inch 1080p monitor long ago, but it looked like butt, not clear at all vs a smaller 24 inch, does it still look like poo on newer 27 inch monitors?

Thanks
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Annihilator 2022 年 12 月 19 日 上午 3:07 
引用自 Annihilator

Well yes i know it :)
Normalise using 1080p and 2160p, not 2K and 4K, the marketing terms are misleading, and the more people keep using it, the longer the misinformation sticks around.

Companies need to realise that marketing jargon doesn't win buyers, it wins blind consumers and gives negative fuel to reviewers and critics.

The people understand.

The important is understandable.
最后由 Annihilator 编辑于; 2022 年 12 月 19 日 上午 3:07
Ulfrinn 2022 年 12 月 19 日 上午 3:39 
引用自 ZeekAncient
引用自 Ulfrinn

You're comparing other features of the 4K screen to the 1440P screen, not the pixel count. A 1440P ultrawide, 34" is going to have the same if not better pixel density than a 40+" 4k monitor. Also, 4K screens are usually not built for gaming, so while a still image may look better in some cases, games are not still, and there is very often an increase in display lag that goes with many additional features or with other technologies. Display lag is the time it takes for something that occurs in game to be shown on screen.

Also, unless you're only playing games from the early to mid 2000s, which are probably FPS locked to begin with, you're never going to come close to 120hz at 4K.

It is not going to stop me from wanting the LG C2. While my current 4K has decent input lag, for a TV, the LG C2 has less than 1ms response times. Including all the gaming features I want like VRR and Gsync/Freesync.

Currently I am playing locked at 60Hz, so to me, things still look buttery smooth, since my games are always at 60FPS. But if I buy a 120Hz+ screen again, I will want something more than a 3070 Ti. Even if I buy a 4080, I know that it will not maintain 120FPS all the time, but if it is between 60 - 120FPS I will be fine.

Even when I was using my 27" 165Hz, and my 34" 120Hz, my limit was 60FPS. Just as long as games didn't go below 60FPS, I was fine. 60 to 120+FPS was great to me. And while I liked my gaming monitors, I have to say that playing on a big 4K screen has been the better experience for me. Games look absolutely crisp and clear, and the extra screen real estate has been amazing. I kind of look at it as though I have a PS5 or something hooked up to it. But better since my games are locked at 60FPS.

Still, I want an LG C2 OLED.

But also, everyone talks about pixel count and pixel density, and yada yada. And yes, I understand how it works. The higher pixel density, the better. But I don't get caught up in such numbers. With a something like this, I just go by what my eyes tell me. And hooking my PC up to my big 4K TV just looked amazing. Night and day over my 1440p gaming monitors. Like I said, I don't have high refresh rates, Gsync, or the super low response times anymore, but I haven't really noticed all that much.

But still, that is why I have my eyes set on an LG C2, lol.

I don't care what you want or choose to you, that's up to you. I was correcting some of your misconceptions. Resolution at one PPI is going to look just as clean, and just as sharp as a different resolution at the same PPI, and there is a limit to how large of a PPI you actually notice. If you had a 4K monitor at 24" it would look little to no different than the 1080p screen. In fact, you won't start to notice any real difference with 4K until you start getting over 32", and that's only if you're still sitting right in front of it, if you move back, things change.

What you're seeing is the HDR features. Or if you have an OLED, you're seeing display type differences. Resolution has virtually nothing to do with your impressions.
最后由 Ulfrinn 编辑于; 2022 年 12 月 19 日 上午 3:42
Ulfrinn 2022 年 12 月 19 日 上午 4:03 
And a PSA to people confused about display types or monitors for gaming...

Starting at the most common displays by gamers out there today, 1080p at 60hz is the most common display. Stepping that up to 120hz is going to result in a sharper and smoother image than doubling the pixel count to 2160p. Games are not pictures, most have a significant amount of motion to them, and frame rate directly relates to how much perceived motion blur there is when cameras, or things on screen move.

Display type is more important than resolution when it comes to the quality of per-frame images. TN vs IPS vs VA vs OLEDs and more.

People who game on TN know they're sacrificing some dynamic range but they do so because the extremely high frame rates and extremely low display lag offered by them does actually give people an edge in competitive gaming.

Resolution directly correlates with frame rate. 4K120 isn't really a thing outside of marketing. Most next gen games that advertise 4K60 or higher don't actually achieve that, but say "up to" specifically because many newer games are using dynamic resolution, meaning, the resolution changes in an attempt to maintain the desired frame rate, and almost always this ends up being a 2K image, and often, games with dynamic resolution even dip down under 1080p.

When it comes to scaling, almost all images you see on your monitor, unless windowed or pillar/letterboxed get scaled (stretched) to fill the screen by your monitor. When your monitor has to scale, it takes time and introduces more display lag, which will have an effect on the responsiveness of the game you are playing. Furthermore, running a game at a resolution that does not multiply into the target monitor's native resolution by a whole integer means some pixels get doubled, others do not, this results in a noticeable loss of image quality and blur. So when you switch your 1440p monitor to 1080p, you're not getting an accurate representation of what 1080p at that screen size would look like. It WILL look like garbage. Likewise selecting 1440p in your game on a 4K monitor will also look terrible.

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Lastly, there's a simple test people can do to determine if the pixel density of their current displays is enough. Open a photo editing program like Gimp or Photoshop, and create a canvas matching your monitors resolution, then create a checkerboard pattern where every single pixel alternates between two contrasting colors, like black and white, then view that image fullscreen and sit at normal viewing distances (do not lean in searching for a difference). If you can actually see a checkerboard of black and white pixels, your pixel density (PPI) is too low. If it appears to be a solid gray, your pixel density is good enough and adding more pixels will not make a difference.

If your Pixel Density is high enough and you want a bigger screen, go with a higher resolution at that same PPI to get you the largest image you can get without sacrificing image quality. PPI is more important than resolution, refresh rate and response times are more important for gaming than resolution. Display type (TN, IPS, VA, OLED etc) is more important than resolution.
最后由 Ulfrinn 编辑于; 2022 年 12 月 19 日 上午 4:07
lightwo 2022 年 12 月 19 日 上午 5:29 
I have a smaller monitor and feel like it needs a higher resolution. I feel it's worth either going for a high refresh rate, high resolution, or both at that size.
最后由 lightwo 编辑于; 2022 年 12 月 19 日 上午 5:29
UserNotFound 2022 年 12 月 19 日 上午 5:53 
I have a Samsung 49" 32:9 3840x1080 first gen super ultra wide that does 144Hz, I believe its size is basically like 2x 27" 1080P stuck together side-by-side. I have no issue with PQ, looks great to me, plus at 3840x1080, it's well within my Sapphire Nitro+ RX 6900 XT performance level (soon to be replaced with a MERC 310 RX 7900 XTX).

I get good enough PQ on my monitor, plus my GPU has plenty of headroom for turning up ingame settings to Very High/Ultra, basically max out settings. Heck, I think that with the RX 7900 XTX, I'd finally be able to run Metro Exodus PC Enhanced at totally maxed out settings.

My caveat is, I'm nearing 60, so my eyesight ain't quite what they were years ago, so maybe that's why I'm quite happy with the PQ of my 49" monitor. Looking at the bright side of things, perhaps that's a positive about getting older....
MonkehMaster 2022 年 12 月 19 日 上午 6:50 
i have a 50in 1080p and a 55in 4k and both look great, differences due to size all depend on your viewing distance...

that being said, i dont personally like sitting at a desk with my face plastered against the screen due to trying to see stuff on a tiny useless screen, bigger screen means i can see more stuff and easier to see that stuff as well.
最后由 MonkehMaster 编辑于; 2022 年 12 月 19 日 上午 6:51
Keith 2022 年 12 月 19 日 上午 8:33 
引用自 Yskas
Hey guys,

I had a 27 inch 1080p monitor long ago, but it looked like butt, not clear at all vs a smaller 24 inch, does it still look like poo on newer 27 inch monitors?

Thanks

As others have said it all depends on the viewing distance. Without considering that as a factor, your question is fairly meaningless.

Clarity is a bit moot given we're talking about the same number of pixels - unless you're going to buy a screen whose pixels are blurry (unlikely), or your eyes are (at the distance of the screen). Either size should be completely clear otherwise - it's just whether you can distinguish individual pixels or not (at the distance, etc, etc). If you want a "clearer" screen then get one with more pixels.

I'm about 50cm from two 24" monitors - one of them 1080p and the other 1440p (both at 100% scaling). *At that distance*, let's just say I wouldn't want the 1080p one to be any bigger, or the 1440p one to be any smaller.
antoniobennett72 2022 年 12 月 19 日 上午 9:28 
For me that is the sweet spot for 1440p so out of my personal "Goldilocks Zone" but is probably okay.
Personally, I like 22 for 1080p, one just tends to be so close to the monitor that unless those pixels are tight you may resolve them otherwise.
Ulfrinn 2022 年 12 月 19 日 上午 9:50 
引用自 MonkehMaster
i have a 50in 1080p and a 55in 4k and both look great, differences due to size all depend on your viewing distance...

that being said, i dont personally like sitting at a desk with my face plastered against the screen due to trying to see stuff on a tiny useless screen, bigger screen means i can see more stuff and easier to see that stuff as well.

This is one thing I don't get about 27" 1440P monitors. They're only marginally larger than a 24" 1080p and the additional pixel density isn't going to yield much additional sharpness either since a 24" 1080p is already over that threshold of what people can actually see. It makes more sense to go with a 32", which has the same pixel density as that 24" 1080P screen, only you get a larger image
Rod 2022 年 12 月 19 日 下午 2:03 
引用自 Ulfrinn
引用自 ZeekAncient

It is not going to stop me from wanting the LG C2. While my current 4K has decent input lag, for a TV, the LG C2 has less than 1ms response times. Including all the gaming features I want like VRR and Gsync/Freesync.

Currently I am playing locked at 60Hz, so to me, things still look buttery smooth, since my games are always at 60FPS. But if I buy a 120Hz+ screen again, I will want something more than a 3070 Ti. Even if I buy a 4080, I know that it will not maintain 120FPS all the time, but if it is between 60 - 120FPS I will be fine.

Even when I was using my 27" 165Hz, and my 34" 120Hz, my limit was 60FPS. Just as long as games didn't go below 60FPS, I was fine. 60 to 120+FPS was great to me. And while I liked my gaming monitors, I have to say that playing on a big 4K screen has been the better experience for me. Games look absolutely crisp and clear, and the extra screen real estate has been amazing. I kind of look at it as though I have a PS5 or something hooked up to it. But better since my games are locked at 60FPS.

Still, I want an LG C2 OLED.

But also, everyone talks about pixel count and pixel density, and yada yada. And yes, I understand how it works. The higher pixel density, the better. But I don't get caught up in such numbers. With a something like this, I just go by what my eyes tell me. And hooking my PC up to my big 4K TV just looked amazing. Night and day over my 1440p gaming monitors. Like I said, I don't have high refresh rates, Gsync, or the super low response times anymore, but I haven't really noticed all that much.

But still, that is why I have my eyes set on an LG C2, lol.

I don't care what you want or choose to you, that's up to you. I was correcting some of your misconceptions. Resolution at one PPI is going to look just as clean, and just as sharp as a different resolution at the same PPI, and there is a limit to how large of a PPI you actually notice. If you had a 4K monitor at 24" it would look little to no different than the 1080p screen. In fact, you won't start to notice any real difference with 4K until you start getting over 32", and that's only if you're still sitting right in front of it, if you move back, things change.

What you're seeing is the HDR features. Or if you have an OLED, you're seeing display type differences. Resolution has virtually nothing to do with your impressions.

Lol 4k 24 inch and 1080p 24 inch would look the same? Sure if you are legally blind lol the 4k one would be pin sharp like retina. Native 1080 on 24 inch has a lot of jaggies and fuzzyness its imposdible to see cleary in foilage in shooters unless its a high res display. What you claim about 1080 aka 90ppi being the limit is completely false. You need to get glasses...
最后由 Rod 编辑于; 2022 年 12 月 19 日 下午 2:05
r.linder 2022 年 12 月 19 日 下午 3:25 
引用自 Rodders
引用自 Ulfrinn

I don't care what you want or choose to you, that's up to you. I was correcting some of your misconceptions. Resolution at one PPI is going to look just as clean, and just as sharp as a different resolution at the same PPI, and there is a limit to how large of a PPI you actually notice. If you had a 4K monitor at 24" it would look little to no different than the 1080p screen. In fact, you won't start to notice any real difference with 4K until you start getting over 32", and that's only if you're still sitting right in front of it, if you move back, things change.

What you're seeing is the HDR features. Or if you have an OLED, you're seeing display type differences. Resolution has virtually nothing to do with your impressions.

Lol 4k 24 inch and 1080p 24 inch would look the same? Sure if you are legally blind lol the 4k one would be pin sharp like retina. Native 1080 on 24 inch has a lot of jaggies and fuzzyness its imposdible to see cleary in foilage in shooters unless its a high res display. What you claim about 1080 aka 90ppi being the limit is completely false. You need to get glasses...
It’s pure insanity. 4K 24” is not only nonsense, it’s a waste of that resolution. You shouldn’t go below 32” for 2160p because you’ll get the most out of it and won’t need to increase UI scaling to be able to easily read what’s on your screen.

1080p needs to be running no larger than 20” to get the same pixel density as 1440p 27”, 24” is much too large for 1080 to look nearly as good, I’ve had many 1080p monitors, my older and smaller ones looked better, and 1440p blows it all away.
Jamebonds1 2022 年 12 月 19 日 下午 3:43 
引用自 Rodders
引用自 Ulfrinn

I don't care what you want or choose to you, that's up to you. I was correcting some of your misconceptions. Resolution at one PPI is going to look just as clean, and just as sharp as a different resolution at the same PPI, and there is a limit to how large of a PPI you actually notice. If you had a 4K monitor at 24" it would look little to no different than the 1080p screen. In fact, you won't start to notice any real difference with 4K until you start getting over 32", and that's only if you're still sitting right in front of it, if you move back, things change.

What you're seeing is the HDR features. Or if you have an OLED, you're seeing display type differences. Resolution has virtually nothing to do with your impressions.

Lol 4k 24 inch and 1080p 24 inch would look the same? Sure if you are legally blind lol the 4k one would be pin sharp like retina. Native 1080 on 24 inch has a lot of jaggies and fuzzyness its imposdible to see cleary in foilage in shooters unless its a high res display. What you claim about 1080 aka 90ppi being the limit is completely false. You need to get glasses...
It is true about limited ppi. Your eye can only seeing 0.02 mm. What your eye's retina seeing is a relative number of pixel size, but not actual size. Yes, 4K pixel may be over 0.02mm pixel; however, where you normal sit will be less than 0.02mm because that is what your eye seeing.

Even 27" with 4K resolution won't help me seeing clear picture because UI on some game will be too smaller to seeing.
Ulfrinn 2022 年 12 月 19 日 下午 3:49 
引用自 Rodders
引用自 Ulfrinn

I don't care what you want or choose to you, that's up to you. I was correcting some of your misconceptions. Resolution at one PPI is going to look just as clean, and just as sharp as a different resolution at the same PPI, and there is a limit to how large of a PPI you actually notice. If you had a 4K monitor at 24" it would look little to no different than the 1080p screen. In fact, you won't start to notice any real difference with 4K until you start getting over 32", and that's only if you're still sitting right in front of it, if you move back, things change.

What you're seeing is the HDR features. Or if you have an OLED, you're seeing display type differences. Resolution has virtually nothing to do with your impressions.

Lol 4k 24 inch and 1080p 24 inch would look the same? Sure if you are legally blind lol the 4k one would be pin sharp like retina. Native 1080 on 24 inch has a lot of jaggies and fuzzyness its imposdible to see cleary in foilage in shooters unless its a high res display. What you claim about 1080 aka 90ppi being the limit is completely false. You need to get glasses...

Pin sharp like retina? Lmao, now you're using Apple marketing? Have you done any testing or research of this on your own or do you just watch advertisements?
Rod 2022 年 12 月 20 日 上午 6:24 
引用自 Ulfrinn
引用自 Rodders

Lol 4k 24 inch and 1080p 24 inch would look the same? Sure if you are legally blind lol the 4k one would be pin sharp like retina. Native 1080 on 24 inch has a lot of jaggies and fuzzyness its imposdible to see cleary in foilage in shooters unless its a high res display. What you claim about 1080 aka 90ppi being the limit is completely false. You need to get glasses...

Pin sharp like retina? Lmao, now you're using Apple marketing? Have you done any testing or research of this on your own or do you just watch advertisements?

Yea its called 25yrs of gaming son. I owned more monitors than you ill wager. Saying the eye cannot see more than 90ppi is pure trolling. You must be the same guys who say 24fps is all the eye can see.

I got one thing to say on the subject, Its called aliasing and texture quality. What you say is an outright lie. I wont even reply btw as the last few posts are just outrageous. Some people whining about high ppi because the UI is too small. So go sit on 109ppi forevet then or actually play a decent coded game that has UI scaling. Yes UI scaling... mind blown?
最后由 Rod 编辑于; 2022 年 12 月 20 日 上午 6:29
Ulfrinn 2022 年 12 月 20 日 上午 6:28 
Lmfao, is this guy serious?
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