Arch Linux - Slow as hell

[Damian]

Hello,
my System is following:
i7 7700k + 2x8gb DDR4 + NVMe SSD 970 Evo 500GB + GTX 1060 6GB
I've installed Arch Linux using UEFI and 64bit.

                   -`                 
                  .o+`                 g1k777@archPC
                 `ooo/                 OS: Arch Linux 
                `+oooo:                Kernel: x86_64 Linux 4.18.16-arch1-1-ARCH
               `+oooooo:               Uptime: 36m
               -+oooooo+:              Packages: 1003
             `/:-:++oooo+:             Shell: bash 4.4.23
            `/++++/+++++++:            Resolution: 4480x1440
           `/++++++++++++++:           DE: Cinnamon 4.0.0
          `/+++ooooooooooooo/`         WM: Muffin
         ./ooosssso++osssssso+`        WM Theme: cinnamon (Adwaita)
        .oossssso-````/ossssss+`       GTK Theme: Adwaita [GTK2/3]
       -osssssso.      :ssssssso.      Icon Theme: Adwaita
      :osssssss/        osssso+++.     Font: Sans 9
     /ossssssss/        +ssssooo/-     CPU: Intel Core i7-7700K @ 8x 4.5GHz [42.0°C]
   `/ossssso+/:-        -:/+osssso+-   GPU: GeForce GTX 1060 6GB
  `+sso+:-`                 `.-/+oso:  RAM: 1823MiB / 15993MiB
 `++:.                           `-/+/
 .`                                 `/

The usage is very low, the CPU hits only 3-4% when i have a internet browser running.
Why is it so slow? The pages take long to load, the other issue is that when i drag a window it looks very laggy.

[Omega]

Which browser?


Because you are running Nvidia.

Install Intel CPU micro code:

sudo pacman -S intel-ucode

After installing the microcode reconfigure GRUB

sudo grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg

And restart the PC.

Also install the Nvidia drivers if you haven't already:

sudo pacman -S nvidia lib32-nvidia-utils

or grab the nvidia-beta package from the AUR. And restart.

[Damian]

Omega původně napsal:

Which browser?


Because you are running Nvidia.

Install Intel CPU micro code:

sudo pacman -S intel-ucode

After installing the microcode reconfigure GRUB

sudo grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg

And restart the PC.

Also install the Nvidia drivers if you haven't already:

sudo pacman -S nvidia lib32-nvidia-utils

or grab the nvidia-beta package from the AUR. And restart.

Arch just broke QQ, when i start it via GRUB i get a black screen with this "typing line" and nothing else, no words, no letters nothing.

[Aliquis Freedom & Ethnopluralism]

The slow performance was likely from the lack of the proprietary Nvidia drivers.

If one don't can't figure that out oneself I doubt Arch is the best choice. Personally I would likely had gone with OpenSUSE but for Steam and compatibility maybe it's best going Ubuntu.

As for grub I'm not up for the task without googling.

[vadim]

1. What is your monitor?
2. Post glxinfo output

[Damian]

I will wait for new AMD stuff.

[TehSpoopyKitteh]

I understand why anyone would want to use ARCH Linux, but honestly you are better off with Ubuntu because it is more widely supported with current hardware and eaier to install modules to run your PC for it.

[vadim]

G1K777 původně napsal:

I will wait for new AMD stuff.

No needs to upgrade you PC. You still have one of the best gaming CPU in the world. It has the same performance as i5-8600k.

[Omega]

The Spoopy Kitteh původně napsal:

I understand why anyone would want to use ARCH Linux, but honestly you are better off with Ubuntu because it is more widely supported with current hardware and eaier to install modules to run your PC for it.

Arch is a rolling release, this means it always runs the latest software and does not do traditional major releases every XX time while providing bug fixes for existing releases like Ubuntu and Windows do. It's constantly recieving updates at the cost of system stability.

This means by default that Arch actually has better hardware support then Ubuntu does, Arch running a newer kernel automatically means it has better support for devices.

If you desire to run proprietary drivers for your devices Arch has you covered there as well with the AUR, the Arch User Repository contains basically every driver, tool and piece of software available for GNU/LInux packaged for Arch.


Installing modules? what?

[TehSpoopyKitteh]

Omega původně napsal:

The Spoopy Kitteh původně napsal:

I understand why anyone would want to use ARCH Linux, but honestly you are better off with Ubuntu because it is more widely supported with current hardware and eaier to install modules to run your PC for it.

Arch is a rolling release, this means it always runs the latest software and does not do traditional major releases every XX time while providing bug fixes for existing releases like Ubuntu and Windows do. It's constantly recieving updates at the cost of system stability.

This means by default that Arch actually has better hardware support then Ubuntu does, Arch running a newer kernel automatically means it has better support for devices.

If you desire to run proprietary drivers for your devices Arch has you covered there as well with the AUR, the Arch User Repository contains basically every driver, tool and piece of software available for GNU/LInux packaged for Arch.


Installing modules? what?

Linux reads hardware as modules rather than runs them with drivers. Some distros require you to configure them yourself, while other make them for their hardware. Since Ubuntu is actually Debian-based, it has a higher chance of globlally supporting all types of hardware based on the drivers/modules availible to the public from manufacturers like AMD and NVIDIA.

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/966480657397214262/B20B7ADC2BACCB0AF4503D73D470DC753C74076A/

Linux disro's like ARCH require you to configure and mount those drviers manually once while using command line interface. UBUNTU and others have a wider support installation system. More notably we have he above screenshot. If the OP is asking the questiona nd complaining about ARCH Linux being too slow, they probably should either learn to make and install their own hardware modules, or use a distro that has wide commercial support to have them made. UBUNTU will better support new people tyo Linux than ARCH will.

[vadim]

The Spoopy Kitteh původně napsal:

Linux reads hardware as modules rather than runs them with drivers. Some distros require you to configure them yourself, while other make them for their hardware. Since Ubuntu is actually Debian-based, it has a higher chance of globlally supporting all types of hardware based on the drivers/modules availible to the public from manufacturers like AMD and NVIDIA.

Sorry, all of above is just meaningless set of words. It does not make any sense. At all. Sorry.

[TehSpoopyKitteh]

vadim původně napsal:

The Spoopy Kitteh původně napsal:

Linux reads hardware as modules rather than runs them with drivers. Some distros require you to configure them yourself, while other make them for their hardware. Since Ubuntu is actually Debian-based, it has a higher chance of globlally supporting all types of hardware based on the drivers/modules availible to the public from manufacturers like AMD and NVIDIA.

Sorry, all of above is just meaningless set of words. It does not make any sense. At all. Sorry.

Let me shorten it for you.

Ubuntu has more support for current hardware updates. If the OP is having issues configuring Arch Linux, it is because it is not supported as easily for newbies to Linux without modifying the source code for the drivers meant to run on other distro's.

[vadim]

You don't need to edit sources to add new driver. Well, in some very rare situations you can do this, but only if you want to add support to new device which kernel is not intented to support at all. Really, no one except system programmers use this possibility.

But I totally agree with you: Arch linux doesn't look as wise choice.

[Omega]

The Spoopy Kitteh původně napsal:

Omega původně napsal:

Arch is a rolling release, this means it always runs the latest software and does not do traditional major releases every XX time while providing bug fixes for existing releases like Ubuntu and Windows do. It's constantly recieving updates at the cost of system stability.

This means by default that Arch actually has better hardware support then Ubuntu does, Arch running a newer kernel automatically means it has better support for devices.

If you desire to run proprietary drivers for your devices Arch has you covered there as well with the AUR, the Arch User Repository contains basically every driver, tool and piece of software available for GNU/LInux packaged for Arch.


Installing modules? what?

Linux reads hardware as modules rather than runs them with drivers. Some distros require you to configure them yourself, while other make them for their hardware. Since Ubuntu is actually Debian-based, it has a higher chance of globlally supporting all types of hardware based on the drivers/modules availible to the public from manufacturers like AMD and NVIDIA.

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/966480657397214262/B20B7ADC2BACCB0AF4503D73D470DC753C74076A/

Linux disro's like ARCH require you to configure and mount those drviers manually once while using command line interface. UBUNTU and others have a wider support installation system. More notably we have he above screenshot. If the OP is asking the questiona nd complaining about ARCH Linux being too slow, they probably should either learn to make and install their own hardware modules, or use a distro that has wide commercial support to have them made. UBUNTU will better support new people tyo Linux than ARCH will.

Proprietary Nvidia drivers from the AUR: https://www.archlinux.org/packages/?name=nvidia


If you download the Nvidia drivers for Linux 64-bit from the Nvidia website you will see that you get a .run file, this file is NOT distribution specific and can be used on any distro. The maintainers of the Nvidia driver for your distribution should make sure that it's up-to-date and working correctly on your distribution.

And downloading drivers from the web is the most un-Linux way of aquiring software.

Hardware modules don't exist, I think you are refering to kernel modules. The majority of devices do not require proprietary drivers since a basic driver will already be implemented in the Linux kernel. Only when you need extra features or better optimization do you need proprietary drivers. Generally the only proprietary drivers you install on a Linux gaming machine is the CPU microcode and if you run a Nvidia GPU the GPU drivers.

Even Arch users generally don't have to touch kernel modules. Everything is already available from the software repos.

vadim původně napsal:

But I totally agree with you: Arch linux doesn't look as wise choice.

A little backstory to G1K777, we had a chat, he is secretly a Linux fanboy stuck on Windows, I told him to use Arch because Ubuntu is for noobs. :P

He installed Arch as a challenge.

https://i.imgur.com/qx4jjTK.jpg

[iceman1980]

"Ubuntu is for noobs" no Ubuntu is for people who want to get up to speed quickly. Google's own datacenters wouldn't use Ubuntu Server if it was for "noobs".

ArchLinux is just arbitrarily complex to configure from scratch which has no real "benefit" at all. Arch from a system-admin perspective is a total nightmare with regards to management.

There is 0 wrong with Ubuntu, apart from requiring minimal configuration. If you want a functional system from day one.

Ubuntu
or
Fedora.

And can you become a master of linux without ever touching ArchLinux? Yes you can.

ArchLinux is adminstratively costly, not only in configuration but also maintainence required.

[Omega]

Sphere původně napsal:

"Ubuntu is for noobs" no Ubuntu is for people who want to get up to speed quickly. Google's own datacenters wouldn't use Ubuntu Server if it was for "noobs".

There is 0 wrong with Ubuntu, apart from requiring minimal configuration.

You might have noticed the " :P " behind that statement. It's a joke.

I agree, I also use Ubuntu because it's quick to install and just works. I have to spend nearly 2 hours in Arch to achieve what I can do in Ubuntu or Fedora in 15 minutes.

Sphere původně napsal:

ArchLinux is just arbitrarily complex to configure from scratch which has no real "benefit" at all. Arch from a system-admin perspective is a total nightmare with regards to management.

But from the perspective of the poweruser who is running the latest hardware and wants to run the latest software it's great.

And playing sys-admin on your Arch machine is just fun. And there is a lot you can learn from running a distro like Arch.

These are the main reasons why Arch and Arch-based distros such as Manjaro and Antergos are so popular.