NightRider 2013 年 7 月 2 日 上午 5:34
Safety function for your Steam inventory
I'm sure everyone has at least a few valuable items in their inventory,
and that they would feel bad if those items got deleted.
I'm often browsing through my inventory and I noticed how easy it is
to actually delete stuff, no matter how rare or valuable it might be.
I've also been watching some videos where these virtual possessions
got deleted (either by the owner or someone else) and couldn't help but
think it would be nice to have a safeguard preventing unwanted item deletion
by another person (a girlfriend, a cousin, a sibling, etc.).
Everyone has probably watched the video where a guy's WoW account
was deleted by his girlfriend while he was going to the store, and also
something similar with a guy whose girlfriend had access to his email account.
Personally, I know no one is using my Steam account other than me, but not
everyone is in that situation and it would be nice if we had something
to protect our virtual stuff for the entire Steam inventory.
That means - items in games (Dota 2, TF2), Steam gifts, cards, coupons, etc.

So what I'm suggesting is this:
- one time password when you want to delete something from your inventory
(in Steam or in a game) "Inventory management password"
- password would be erased when you restart Steam (or a game)
- if you want to delete items again, you'd have to enter the password again

Please, share your thoughts and opinions.
最后由 NightRider 编辑于; 2013 年 7 月 2 日 下午 2:14
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Black Blade 2013 年 7 月 2 日 上午 6:06 
Well i dont really know abut you but i really see it more as a pain then any help i mean first of all never give your email to any one (not even girlfriend) if you cant for ever 100% trust them not to mess up
so like i say i see it more as pain then any real help even that maybe to add it as a option and not a must may be good for some
Satoru 2013 年 7 月 2 日 上午 6:27 
Account security is the user's responsibiilty

1) one-time password - I already KNOW your password if I hijacked it adding more rediculous paswords doesn't protect anyone
2) password erased restart steam - This function already exists. Uncheck "remember password" in the steam client when you log in
3) Refer to #1

If people have physical acces to your computer, all bets are off. If you can't be bothered to put in screensaver passwords, screen locks or a BIOS password, why does adding yet ANOTHER thing on help in any way.
最后由 Satoru 编辑于; 2013 年 7 月 2 日 上午 6:29
Kenny32673 2013 年 7 月 2 日 上午 7:22 
There is already security in place to protect your inventory. It is the same security that's in place to protect your account.

Use a long secure alpha-numeric password with symbols and both upper and lower case letters and not an actual word or name etc. Activate Steam guard. Use an email provider with 2 step authentication. Don't give out your info to others or other websites.

Your items are perfectly safe as long as your account is.
Bnuuy 2013 年 7 月 2 日 上午 10:44 
This may be a good idea, other than Saturo's point is correct. Maybe an option to just make an item not delete-able until it's traded. Then that person can make in not delete-able and on and on and on.
NightRider 2013 年 7 月 2 日 上午 11:52 
I'm afraid you guys have completely missed my point.
Firstly, I do not give my Steam password to anyone either, and currently I'm the only one using my account. Secondly, from time to time it happens that I have guests in my home, and those guests have kids who like to play shooters on my Steam account. Now, standing behind their back watching their actions every second would be a) rude and b) tedious, so I'd rather do something else while they play. Granted, those occasions are few and far between and most of the time I don't need this at all, but I'm sure there's lots of people who let other people use their Steam accounts often without giving out their password, so in that context I'm not being selfish to say "if I don't need this, no one needs it either".

This would be a one time password, completely unrelated to Steam account password or the option "remember password", there would be a separate option called, for example, "Inventory management password" that you can set up and use every time you want to delete something, but use once and that's it (at least until you restart Steam).

I know we have enough security features in place, but one more can't hurt, can it?
最后由 NightRider 编辑于; 2013 年 7 月 2 日 上午 11:53
Kenny32673 2013 年 7 月 2 日 上午 11:55 
引用自 MackP
I know we have enough security features in place, but one more can't hurt, can it?

Yes. There is such a thing as TOO MUCH.
Satoru 2013 年 7 月 2 日 下午 12:09 
You're asking for a solution to a problem that already has 5 other solutions, and then doesn't actually fix the problem you want either.
最后由 Satoru 编辑于; 2013 年 7 月 2 日 下午 12:09
NightRider 2013 年 7 月 2 日 下午 12:19 
引用自 MonkeySeeker
Yes. There is such a thing as TOO MUCH.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c

引用自 Satoru
You're asking for a solution to a problem that already has 5 other solutions, and then doesn't actually fix the problem you want either.
Actually, this possible problem has no other solutions and my suggestion would fix it entirely. Now I'm really starting to wonder if you actually read my suggestion and understood it.
最后由 NightRider 编辑于; 2013 年 7 月 2 日 下午 12:19
Satoru 2013 年 7 月 2 日 下午 12:40 
I read your 'situation' what you're asking for is to add yet ANOTHER password layer in. And for what scenario. The bizarre scenario where someone who has PHYSICAL ACCESS to your computer doesn't trade away all your stuff.

Again, this is an entirely esoteric situation no matter how many 'videos' are out there. Phishing is by far the #1 way your items will disappear. Not because of disgruntled girl friends. So you're already trying to solve a 'problem' that is by definition something that is rare.

Users can already do several things to avoid this, via screen saver passwords, bios passwords, setting steam to not log in on restart, logging off the computer, etc. The assertion that this has 'no other solutions' is totally untrue. It's only because you want to be LAZY about your own security. And security is NOT about being lazy. Your 'problem' can be solved in any number of different ways that do not inconvenice normal users, and such a feature would help so few people as to make the system LESS secure. As users would migrate to simple passwords sine they have to CONSTANTLY keep putting it in.
最后由 Satoru 编辑于; 2013 年 7 月 2 日 下午 12:41
NightRider 2013 年 7 月 2 日 下午 12:45 
引用自 Satoru
The bizarre scenario where someone who has PHYSICAL ACCESS to your computer doesn't trade away all your stuff.
I said delete, not trade. You might want to start reading more carefully.
I realize it's a rare scenario (or bizarre, if you insist) but it certainly isn't impossible.
Besides, it's only a suggestion and you made it abundantly clear what you think of it.
Your opinion is noted. So how about letting others speak now?
Satoru 2013 年 7 月 2 日 下午 12:52 
Firstly you can't 'delete' anything on Steam ergo the only 'problem' you'd have would be if you traded the item away, or you could maybe craft all your TF2 items into dust or whatever.

Whether it's 'delete', 'trade', 'craft' whatever it still functionally depends on a person having PHYSICAL access to the system. Ergo you're trying to solve a physical security problem. This kind of problem is better solved by again using screensaver passwords, BIOS passwords, logging out of the system, etc.

You also have to look at the impact of what that system would do to real users. You're solving a problem for a tiny esoteric scenrario. In return you are creating a MASSIVE headache for people doing basic trading in teh system. Security is not just about 'throwing barriers up in front of people' because if you do that people invariby make the system less secure because of it. They make their passwords simpler, or they do other things that actually worsen security.

You can't look at systems in a box. They have to be taken into consideration of the overall usage. My point is that the proposed system is highly disruptive to most users, and has a infetesmally small chance of helping the situation it's supposed to fix, when there are plenty of other options users can do to prevent that situation.

Suggest all you want, but don't expect others to not provide a critique of it if there are inherent flaws in what you propose.

Please, share your thoughts and opinions.

YOu asked for it.
最后由 Satoru 编辑于; 2013 年 7 月 2 日 下午 1:00
NightRider 2013 年 7 月 2 日 下午 1:08 
引用自 Satoru
Firstly you can't 'delete' anything on Steam ergo the only 'problem' you'd have would be if you traded the item away, or you could maybe craft all your TF2 items into dust or whatever.
Ugh...really? I knew you had no idea what I was talking about, but this is just too much.
You are either completely ignorant of the subject, or trolling hard. Can't decide which.
As a reference, I personally deleted over 25 Dota invites myself. Also, I can delete any item from TF2 and Dota 2 at any point, no matter how valuable they might be (yes, I'm talking about value in real money).
引用自 Satoru
Whether it's 'delete', 'trade', 'craft' whatever it still functionally depends on a person having PHYSICAL access to the system. Ergo you're trying to solve a physical security problem. This kind of problem is better solved by again using screensaver passwords, BIOS passwords, logging out of the system, etc.
Trust abuse has nothing to do with the physical access. You can entrust someone with the physical access and still have them abuse your trust. It can happen to anyone.
引用自 Satoru
You also have to look at the impact of what that system would do to real users. You're solving a problem for a tiny esoteric scenrario. In return you are creating a MASSIVE headache for people doing basic trading in teh system. Security is not just about 'throwing barriers up in front of people' because if you do that people invariby make the system less secure because of it. They make their passwords simpler, or they do other things that actually worsen security.
I already said this would only be a separate password for deletion of items, it would have absolutely NO bearing on trading whatsoever. NONE.
This password would not affect your Steam account security and it could be a lot simpler and shorter. Alternatively, to avoid having 2 passwords, Steam password could be used to confirm the deletion of items during a Steam session (until Steam is restarted).
引用自 Satoru
Suggest all you want, but don't expect others to not provide a critique of it if there are inherent flaws in what you propose.
I'm not expecting people to automatically agree, but I do expect them to know something of what they're talking about, and I also expect them to read my suggestion carefully before going full troll mode, like you. I also expect them to post their opinion (positive or negative) and don't saturate the thread by spamming it over and over again, without any additional reasonable arguments, again like you.
引用自 Satoru
YOu asked for it.
Yeah, I asked for opinions. I didn't ask you to spam and troll.
最后由 NightRider 编辑于; 2013 年 7 月 2 日 下午 1:13
ManiacMal 2013 年 7 月 2 日 下午 1:34 
Really, you can delete TF2 items? Cause I sure as hell can't, though I wish I could.
NightRider 2013 年 7 月 2 日 下午 1:37 
引用自 Hashbrick
Really, you can delete TF2 items? Cause I sure as hell can't, though I wish I could.
I sure as hell can, and I did just 2-3 days ago. It was achievement-earned Gunslinger for Engineer. If you don't believe me, you can ask Valve for confirmation.
Satoru 2013 年 7 月 2 日 下午 1:38 
引用自 MackP
Trust abuse has nothing to do with the physical access. You can entrust someone with the physical access and still have them abuse your trust. It can happen to anyone.

Again your situation still functionally depends physical access to teh system. The scenario necessarily requires physical access. You're looking at the problem the wrong way.

I already said this would only be a separate password for deletion of items, it would have absolutely NO bearing on trading whatsoever. NONE.

All you'd be doing is pushing these people to trade the items, craft them, etc, instead of deleting them. Again you're not really solving the core problem which is they have physical access to the system. Which is why your system doesn't really solve the core issue. The problem is not 'deleting items' it is 'unauthorized access to your computer'.

I'm not expecting people to automatically agree, but I do expect them to know something of what they're talking about, and I also expect them to read my suggestion carefully before going full troll mode, like you. I also expect them to post their opinion (positive or negative) and don't saturate the thread by spamming it over and over again, without any additional reasonable arguments, again like you.

I have given you reasonable explanations why your proposed system has significant flaws. Doesn't solve the problem you propose. And that there are better solutions to the problem than a separate password for a single function that doesn't solve teh core problem you're attempting to solve.

Yeah, I asked for opinions. I didn't ask you to spam and troll.

Please point out where I am spaming or trolling. I am give you as you indicated an opinion on your proposed system. Which i my opinion is redudnant, unlikely to fix the problem at hand, and has many other solutions which are more effective.

Users are responsible for their account security as well as physical security.
最后由 Satoru 编辑于; 2013 年 7 月 2 日 下午 1:40
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