kindonerd 10 ENE 2013 a las 12:08
Cheats For Money "Single Player"
Sometimes i want to play some old game and i would like to have some cheat codes for FUN.
I't could be a good idea to sell cheats for SP mode for game. maybe 1 €/$ for cheat ????
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Spawn of Totoro 10 ENE 2013 a las 12:29 
Most games that will allow cheats do so. Ie: console commands.

If you think a game should have a built in cheat, you need to ask the Publisher/Developer. Steam had no say in the matter.
kindonerd 10 ENE 2013 a las 13:37 
No No. You got it wrong. let's take a sample like Serious Sam. i have'd playd it throught and some times i feel to urge to play whit it cheats. "YES i know it has a console option with god mode ETC..." I mean't trainer kind of options to games like "full ammo, etc..." for games whitout console option, like C&C red alert 2.... this thread was a plink of an idea where STEAM should go next
MAYBE ?????
KIRKCOBAINED 10 ENE 2013 a las 13:38 
This is why 12 year olds, and the people with a 12 yo mind should not be aloud to use the internet.
kindonerd 10 ENE 2013 a las 13:40 
Spunkubd: Tell me when to laught ???
Spawn of Totoro 10 ENE 2013 a las 13:45 
Publicado originalmente por kindonerd:
No No. You got it wrong. let's take a sample like Serious Sam. i have'd playd it throught and some times i feel to urge to play whit it cheats. "YES i know it has a console option with god mode ETC..." I mean't trainer kind of options to games like "full ammo, etc..." for games whitout console option, like C&C red alert 2.... this thread was a plink of an idea where STEAM should go next
MAYBE ?????

Steam doesn't make that decision. Ask the Developers. Steam just sells games. If the Developer wants to add "Buyable cheats" then they can.

Honestly, if a game has cheats, they should be free anyways. Not a reason for companies to charge for for useless junk.

Many Developers don't include cheats because they feel it takes away from their games and they feel unappreciated for all their hard work.
Are you really requesting cheats on the steam forum and expecting people to not be hostile? Wouldn't it be far safer and less insulting to ask cheat specific forums?
Última edición por Τhe Rolling Cheese Wheel; 10 ENE 2013 a las 13:49
ChrisW 10 ENE 2013 a las 13:49 
Using third party tools to cheat in games is a violation of international copyright laws and not legal. If you want to use cheats, use the cheats built into the game. Outside cheats are written by criminals and can't be added to Steam.
Publicado originalmente por ChrisW:
Using third party tools to cheat in games is a violation of international copyright laws and not legal. If you want to use cheats, use the cheats built into the game. Outside cheats are written by criminals and can't be added to Steam.

hahahahahaha. no. Please cite the copyright laws that prevents me from making myself god in GTA4.
Última edición por Τhe Rolling Cheese Wheel; 10 ENE 2013 a las 13:51
Dori V•V 10 ENE 2013 a las 14:10 
Although I learned as a kid that cheats destroy my personal gaming experience, I don't judge anyone or assume his age only because he wants to cheat in SINGLEPLAYER games. Personal tastes are different.

However, one example for a game where you can buy cheats is Saints Row : The Third.

Publicado originalmente por The Rolling Cheese:
hahahahahaha. no. Please cite the copyright laws that prevents me from making myself god in GTA4.
Maybe not for that case. But there was a sentence in germany lately that said that selling hacks for the PS Vita is against copyright laws.

Also, be careful where you download trainers or other cheat software. There definitely are legit ones out, but there also is malware.
Última edición por Dori V•V; 10 ENE 2013 a las 14:10
ChrisW 10 ENE 2013 a las 14:21 
Publicado originalmente por The Rolling Cheese:
Publicado originalmente por ChrisW:
Using third party tools to cheat in games is a violation of international copyright laws and not legal. If you want to use cheats, use the cheats built into the game. Outside cheats are written by criminals and can't be added to Steam.

hahahahahaha. no. Please cite the copyright laws that prevents me from making myself god in GTA4.
Do you know what copyright laws are for? The protection of your intellectual property. Someone altering that is violating their copyright. There is a reason why you have to find the back allies of the internet to find these programs and they are typically hosted in countries that don't respect international copyright laws.

That said, you need to also read the license agreement of all your software. They always state you can't alter, reverse engineer, ...bla bla bla their software. Those cheats do exactly what their license agreement specifically states you can't do. No matter how you look at it, these programs are illegal and violate lots of laws.
Última edición por ChrisW; 10 ENE 2013 a las 14:26
Publicado originalmente por ChrisW:
Publicado originalmente por The Rolling Cheese:
Publicado originalmente por ChrisW:
Using third party tools to cheat in games is a violation of international copyright laws and not legal. If you want to use cheats, use the cheats built into the game. Outside cheats are written by criminals and can't be added to Steam.

hahahahahaha. no. Please cite the copyright laws that prevents me from making myself god in GTA4.
Do you know what copyright laws are for? The protection of your intellectual property. Someone altering that is violating their copyright. There is a reason why you have to find the back allies of the internet to find these programs and they are typically hosted in countries that don't respect international copyright laws.

That said, you need to also read the license agreement of all your software. They always state you can't alter, reverse engineer, ...bla bla bla their software. Those cheats do exactly what their license agreement specifically states you can't do. No matter how you look at it, these programs are illegal and violate lots of laws.

A TOS isn't law, neither is a license agreement. TOS and license agreements rarely work across oceans. (Citing the new Valve TOS that prevents class action lawsuit.) Unless I can't read, I have failed to see where you have cited the international law that bars cheating via modification in video games for personal entertainment purposes.
Última edición por Τhe Rolling Cheese Wheel; 10 ENE 2013 a las 14:48
Spawn of Totoro 10 ENE 2013 a las 15:03 
Publicado originalmente por The Rolling Cheese:
A TOS isn't law, neither is a license agreement. TOS and license agreements rarely work across oceans. (Citing the new Valve TOS that prevents class action lawsuit.) Unless I can't read, I have failed to see where you have cited the international law that bars cheating via modification in video games for personal entertainment purposes.

TOS do work across oceans. Valve's has sub areas, for example, citing diffrent terms for diffrent countries. They have to be well writen and take many regional laws into consideration.

A TOS and license agreement is a legaly binding contract between you hand the other party.

Some people tried to make a mod for a Blizzard game some time ago. It was scest and desist order from Blizzard and shut down. The order was based on it's violation of the TOS.

That being said, I do have to agree about small cheats not being illigal. They are either being ignored my the copyright owner do it in a ways that conforms with the TOS. Most seem to alter the game in memory instead of direct file editing, as well as boing done on a small scale.

It seems more like a grey area to me, then a black and white type of idea.

However, companies have tried to sue cheat makers before and have never succeeded (to my knowledge). So I am unsure as to the precedence in the situation.

http://kotaku.com/5665407/blizzard-suing-starcraft-ii-cheat-makers
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2010/10/18/blizzard-suing-creators-of-starcraft-ii-hacks/
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101019/04275111479/blizzard-sues-starcraft-ii-cheat-creators-under-dubious-copyright-theory.shtml

There is an example, though the outcome is currently not knows.
Última edición por Spawn of Totoro; 10 ENE 2013 a las 15:08
ChrisW 10 ENE 2013 a las 15:35 
Publicado originalmente por The Rolling Cheese:
Publicado originalmente por ChrisW:
Publicado originalmente por The Rolling Cheese:
Publicado originalmente por ChrisW:
Using third party tools to cheat in games is a violation of international copyright laws and not legal. If you want to use cheats, use the cheats built into the game. Outside cheats are written by criminals and can't be added to Steam.

hahahahahaha. no. Please cite the copyright laws that prevents me from making myself god in GTA4.
Do you know what copyright laws are for? The protection of your intellectual property. Someone altering that is violating their copyright. There is a reason why you have to find the back allies of the internet to find these programs and they are typically hosted in countries that don't respect international copyright laws.

That said, you need to also read the license agreement of all your software. They always state you can't alter, reverse engineer, ...bla bla bla their software. Those cheats do exactly what their license agreement specifically states you can't do. No matter how you look at it, these programs are illegal and violate lots of laws.

A TOS isn't law, neither is a license agreement. TOS and license agreements rarely work across oceans. (Citing the new Valve TOS that prevents class action lawsuit.) Unless I can't read, I have failed to see where you have cited the international law that bars cheating via modification in video games for personal entertainment purposes.
Just because you don't want to follow the TOS does not mean it is unenforcable. I really wish people would stop saying this about things they don't want to abide by. Do you really think Valve can start selling programs that violate license agreements and copyright laws? Sure, lots of people get away with this stuff because it is just not worth the time or money to pursue such people, but if Valve did it they would be sued into oblivion.

The Ninth circuit is the most overruled court. The odds are this will also be overruled. That said:
http://www.nowpublic.com/tech-biz/warcraft-maker-blizzard-wins-copyright-cheating-lawsuit

That said, it does not matter if this is a grey area or not. The fact of the matter is that Valve will not get involved in this as it could/would lead to lots of lawsuits which would cost them a fortune. It would also alienate game publishers and developers and cost them lots of business. There is no way Valve would ever tough this with a ten foot pole, especially when they run their own anti-cheat service.
Última edición por ChrisW; 10 ENE 2013 a las 15:39
Spawn of Totoro 10 ENE 2013 a las 15:39 
Publicado originalmente por ChrisW:
The Ninth circuit is the most overruled court. The odds are this will also be overruled. That said:
http://www.nowpublic.com/tech-biz/warcraft-maker-blizzard-wins-copyright-cheating-lawsuit

That said, it does not matter if this is a grey area or not. The fact of the matter is that Valve will not get involved in this as it could/would lead to lots of lawsuits which would cost them a fortune. It would also alienate game publishers and developers and cost them lots of business. There is no way Valve would ever tough this with a ten foot pole, especially when they run their own anti-cheat service.

And then to the next higher court , then the next , ect. untill it is settled. Don't you just love the legal process that we pay for. All those taxes.

I agree, Valve should stay out of it.
Última edición por Spawn of Totoro; 10 ENE 2013 a las 15:40
Seraphita 10 ENE 2013 a las 16:12 
Man, people are stuck up. If anyone want to cheat for fun in a single player game, let them do it... I do it sometimes too. You know, for FUN. Infinite ammo and whatever else you can do is always nice to experience when you want some whack fun. Be civil, guys...

Sadly, there's no in-built cheats in "most" games, if you don't count GTA and dev consoles. The only real/effective way is to use trainers and unfortunately, Valve/Steam will not deal in that kind of things because it encourages public/easy cheating and it may be used even more than it already is in some/many multiplayer games, which is strongly looked down upon. This is how it should be said.
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