craig234 2012 年 11 月 29 日 上午 8:19
Frustrating Steam pricing
Steam sold Dragon's Origins Deluxe, and Awakenings - everything they sold for it - to me for $53.98 some time ago.

Now, they sell 'Dragon's Age Ultimate' which includes those things.

The problem: Apparently, 'Ultimate' may or may not have some DLC the earlier version didn't. I can't tell; view DLC only sayd 'bonus content' and 'Deluxe key'.

Thing is: not only can I not tell if I have all the DLC, I can't buy any DLC.

And there's the manual. Think I can buy the manual? No, it says 'requires ultimate edition'. So I can't buy a manual.

So what Steam is saying is, 'glad you spent $53.98 on everything we sell for Dragon's Age. Now, if you'd like a piece of DLC or a manual, re-buy the entire franchise'.

Clearly, $53.98 wasn't enough money for them - I should buy everything again.
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Spawn of Totoro 2012 年 11 月 29 日 上午 8:26 
Dragon Age: Origins - Ultimate Edition includes:

Dragon Age: Origins
Dragon Age: Origins - Awakening Expansion Pack
All Nine Content Packs


It has all the DLC included.

If you don't have the Ultimate Edition, you need to buy the DLC through origin/EA. That is how EA set it up, not Steam.

Digital Delux contained 3 DLC.

The Stone Prisoner
Warden's Keep
And the Dragon Armor

As for the manual, it is located in the Dragon age directory as a pdf file. This goes for all versions.

Other then that, Steam does not set the prices, or packages. EA does.
最后由 Spawn of Totoro 编辑于; 2012 年 11 月 29 日 上午 8:34
craig234 2012 年 11 月 29 日 上午 10:55 
I think Steam has more say than that. They agree to the packages, and agreed here to this situation that is terrible for customers.

I'm not talking about the manual, I'm talking about the strategy guide. To buy it, I have to re-purchase the entire package of all the games and DLC after already spending $53.98.
Satoru 2012 年 11 月 29 日 上午 10:57 
Steam is a store. They have no more say than any other store as to 'what' they sell. EA packages the goods and allows Steam to sell it. EA ultimately decided to pacakge the game in these incredibly convoluted ways. Steam has no more say in how that's done than any otehr digital distributior.

Unless you're Walmart, no one gets to dictated to sellers 'what' they want to sell. That's not how it works.

Besides just launch gamefaqs in the overlay and there's a free guide. Or just launch ign.com or something. They're just as good and free.
最后由 Satoru 编辑于; 2012 年 11 月 29 日 上午 11:00
Spawn of Totoro 2012 年 11 月 29 日 上午 11:03 
No, Steam has no say in the price and any retailer would carry an upgraded product too.

Even the Ultimate requires you to pay more for the guides.

You bought the game before they offer these packages. Too bad. It happens to everyone.

That is buisness. All retail is like that. Even if you got it from Target, you would be in the same situation.
PentaPenta 2012 年 11 月 29 日 上午 11:05 
引用自 craig2345
I think Steam has more say than that. They agree to the packages, and agreed here to this situation that is terrible for customers.
People love to say "If Steam cared about its costumers (which is dumb by itself, as steam is a computer program) they wouldn't agree to such 'high' prices." However, they don't realize that the alternative is not having the game at all, which would only make them say "why doesn't Steam have such-and-such game?!"
Steam, or Valve, can't win.
最后由 PentaPenta 编辑于; 2012 年 11 月 29 日 上午 11:06
craig234 2012 年 11 月 29 日 上午 11:19 
So I guess since Steam has no say, I can sell a program for $1000 on Steam and they have to carry it. Oh, no, I can't, they can say 'no'.

The process I've seen described is that there is collaberation between Steam and the publisher. Steam can't dictate but they can request and say 'no'.

The issue isn't 'paying more for the guide' - of course you pay more for the guide. I'm saying you can't buy the guide without buying the entire franchise over again.

Same with the DLC that's missing - you can't buy the DLC, you have to re-buy the entire package to get it.

That's like adding a radio to your car and having to buy a new car with the radio.

Steven, your post is just embarrassing. Clearly referring to Steam policies refers to the people running Steam.
PentaPenta 2012 年 11 月 29 日 上午 11:29 
引用自 craig2345
So I guess since Steam has no say, I can sell a program for $1000 on Steam and they have to carry it. Oh, no, I can't, they can say 'no'.
Depends on if it was worth it or not. You know they do have software on here, and I wouldn't be surprised if one of the deluxe versions were 1000+.
EDIT: Looking it over, the highest price they currently have is $500. Still, they have a very small amount of software currently, so it could very well be that they will add more expensive ones later on.

引用自 craig2345
Steven, your post is just embarrassing. Clearly referring to Steam policies refers to the people running Steam.
I'm sorry that you are embarresed by your mistake. Still, I would be too, if I did stuff like that.
最后由 PentaPenta 编辑于; 2012 年 11 月 29 日 上午 11:33
Spawn of Totoro 2012 年 11 月 29 日 上午 11:38 
Origins guide is found on:

http://store.steampowered.com/app/17450/

Awakening's Guide:

http://store.steampowered.com/app/47730/

You can buy them without the bundle.

You can buy the DLC:

http://dragonage.bioware.com/dao/addon/#stoneprisoner

Click on the PC logo for each DLC you want to buy.

EA does not allow the DLC to be purchased seperetaly on Steam.
Satoru 2012 年 11 月 29 日 上午 11:52 
引用自 craig2345
So I guess since Steam has no say, I can sell a program for $1000 on Steam and they have to carry it. Oh, no, I can't, they can say 'no'.

Starting with a straw man argument makes you look silly.

http://www.gamersgate.com/games?prio=relevance&q=dragon%20age

EA packaged the games and the content in the way they though best and are selling it through digital distribution channels. Steam has no more right to say 'no' than GG, or other digital stores do. Again if you're not Walmart you don't have the luxury of dictating pricing and packaging to your distributors. That's hwo the retail space works.

Complain to EA if you feel the bundling is inappropriate. Because they created the bundles with no way to get them a la carte.
最后由 Satoru 编辑于; 2012 年 11 月 29 日 上午 11:54
craig234 2012 年 11 月 29 日 上午 11:59 
Steven just embarrasses himself again.

Spawn, thanks for finding the links. At least they're available, even if not very cost practical ($9.99 for just the Origins guide, while Ultimate edition was $10.49 in the sale this week).

Similarly, the DLC looks like it totals $31.

But thanks for taking the time to post the info.
craig234 2012 年 11 月 29 日 下午 12:08 
Satoru: you don't know what 'straw man' means.

Yes, the problem isn't entirely Steam. But they're the ones I paid $53.98 for everything they had before and didn't appear to be selling the remaining pieces or pushing EA to.

Also the Gamer's Gate guide doesn't require you to buy the game from them; Steam does. It didn't look like Steam offered the guide without buying 'ultimate', but Spawn found they do.

Though as I said it's not very cost efficient and not included in the franchise sale.

I agree the larger issue is with EA's bundling and pricing.

It'd be nice if a sale included a sale of the components earlier buyers need instead of a repurchase of the franchise. This comes up fairly regularly in steam sales.

Plenty of sales offer the guides or DLC for next to nothing if bought with the game, and for several times as much if you already own the game.
PentaPenta 2012 年 11 月 29 日 下午 12:23 
引用自 craig2345
Steven just embarrasses himself again.
So is that what you say when you know you're wrong? It doesn't make you sound intellegent. A argument with valid points makes you sound intellegent, which is something you're lacking.
ManiacMal 2012 年 11 月 29 日 下午 1:19 
Rule of thumb don't buy EA made bundles on Steam or anywhere else but retail or through Origin, they purposely make it an infuriating experience so that they will choose Origin over said other digital retailer. EA packages ♥♥♥♥ like a tard makes their sandwhiches; slobby, unplanned and with a series of durs and grunts.
最后由 ManiacMal 编辑于; 2012 年 11 月 29 日 下午 1:19
Satoru 2012 年 11 月 29 日 下午 1:31 
引用自 craig2345
Satoru: you don't know what 'straw man' means.
So I guess since Steam has no say, I can sell a program for $1000 on Steam and they have to carry it. Oh, no, I can't, they can say 'no'.

This is a straw man because I nor anyone else said anything of the sort.

I pointed out that stores, unless you are Walmart or Gamestop, do not have the clout to 'demand' anything from large publishers. Large publishers don't 'need' to be on Steam. They do need to be in Walmart or Gamestop. Which is why the largest consumer product company in the world, P&G, will bend over and take it up the behind when Walmart says so. Or how Walmart almost ran Rubbermaid out of business demanding they sell stuff to them below cost. That is how retail works. Steam may be the biggest digital distribtion store, but that doesn't translate into increased clout with publishers.

If EA says 'we are selling this product in this way', Steam has no clout to say 'you should revise the package'. It could say no, but why lose the revenue. Again the packages are designed and packaged by EA, as I showed that they have similar packages across other digital distribution sites. If you want to blame someone, blame EA. They made the packages. They made it so that you can't buy DLC a la carte except via Bioware points.
最后由 Satoru 编辑于; 2012 年 11 月 29 日 下午 1:35
Delph 2012 年 11 月 29 日 下午 8:48 
Its for reasons like this that steam changed its DLC policy so that all DLC must be available via the steam store. However Dragon Age came out before that policy and so the DLC is only available from EA rather than via steam. Its a pain but no newly released games will have similar problems
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