Ban the culture war from steam

[Amaterasu]

Look, I'm not going to mince words, nor am I going to hold back my language and no, I am not sorry for what I'm about to say. Lot of people are nicer about this than I'm about to be and now it's my turn to properly state this.

Every single game forum for a new and upcoming game is full of the same exact topics under different ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ titles. It's always... always some measure of, "It this game woke." "This game is woke because X" or "We need this kind of representation in the game!" And I'm not the only person who is sick of this. I proposed cutting the largest head off the culture war hydra as a bit of a warning to the rest of the groups but right now, I see that it's not going to stop until this entire Culture War hydra gets thrown into a sun to never be seen again.

I am not the only person who is tired of going to a game, thinking, "Oh hey, this looks interesting, I'll see if other people think the same" or "I wonder how other people feel about it" without a constant flood of Culture War shenanigans that has no room to be on Steam.

I know you aren't going to take a principled stand and reinstate the rule that banned all politics and all religion. But for the love of all that is nice in this world, Valve. Make this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ culture war against the rules and not just one side. both sides. This is getting spammy and ridiculous, but because it's a bunch of "different" people, you're refusing to do anything, which is making the forums a very hostile place that people who just want to game are refusing to come back to.

[yankees992007]

Originalmente postado por Animus:

Originalmente postado por yankees992007:

Exactly, unfortunately the leftists rather to cry to steam support of their fee fees getting hurt. Instead of handling it as an adult. There's a reason why there's a blocking system here at steam.

Issue is block isn't effective against people intent on bypassing the systems entirely, for example one user I can think of has six accounts to bypass bans and blocks. Two accounts quite literally made just to harass and namecall one person they have a grudge against.

While claiming he's the victim of harassment of course.

So you advocate harassment? Based on your comment, I have yet to see legitimate situation. I would regard this gaslighting as none of above is true. If this comment made in good faith then you wouldn't disagree with me. I stand by my points., thank you

[Citizen Sloth]

This concerns gamers. People don't want woke content in their games and have just as much right as you to find out if it is without buying the game to find out. This is just a thinly veiled attempt to shut people up that don't agree with you.

[Crashed]

Originalmente postado por Citizen Sloth:

This concerns gamers. People don't want woke content in their games and have just as much right as you to find out if it is without buying the game to find out. This is just a thinly veiled attempt to shut people up that don't agree with you.

What do you define as "woke content" and what do you define as people? Are you offended by diversity?

[Tito Shivan]

Originalmente postado por Citizen Sloth:

This concerns gamers.

I strongly disagree. The source of all this 'culture wars' nonsense comes from people who couldn't give less of a damn about gaming, but use gaming and gamers for either personal gain or as a tool to spread bigotry.

And too many naive people got sucked into it because they didn't know better and were left alone amongst predators.

[Mad Scientist]

Originalmente postado por Crashed:

Is that code word for you don't want any Black or LGBTQ+ characters? The world does not revolve around hate.

Originalmente postado por Crashed:

Are you offended by diversity?

Why always assuming that of others?

[William Shakesman]

Originalmente postado por Tito Shivan:

Originalmente postado por Citizen Sloth:

This concerns gamers.

I strongly disagree. The source of all this 'culture wars' nonsense comes from people who couldn't give less of a damn about gaming, but use gaming and gamers for either personal gain or as a tool to spread bigotry.

And too many naive people got sucked into it because they didn't know better and were left alone amongst predators.

On its own this seems like a pleasant fantasy to try to define away people with whom someone has serious disagreements so they don't have to face difficult questions.

But then if you reread the topic title, you see that it is nothing but the same old word magic game that always gets played. Redefine the opposing argument to be completely meaningless so the rules can be used as a bludgeon against it.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originalmente postado por yankees992007:

Originalmente postado por Animus:

Issue is block isn't effective against people intent on bypassing the systems entirely, for example one user I can think of has six accounts to bypass bans and blocks. Two accounts quite literally made just to harass and namecall one person they have a grudge against.

While claiming he's the victim of harassment of course.

So you advocate harassment? Based on your comment, I have yet to see legitimate situation. I would regard this gaslighting as none of above is true. If this comment made in good faith then you wouldn't disagree with me. I stand by my points., thank you

There is not gaslighting in his comment. There is a lot of truth though.

[Animus]

Originalmente postado por yankees992007:

Originalmente postado por Animus:

Issue is block isn't effective against people intent on bypassing the systems entirely, for example one user I can think of has six accounts to bypass bans and blocks. Two accounts quite literally made just to harass and namecall one person they have a grudge against.

While claiming he's the victim of harassment of course.

So you advocate harassment? Based on your comment, I have yet to see legitimate situation. I would regard this gaslighting as none of above is true. If this comment made in good faith then you wouldn't disagree with me. I stand by my points., thank you

No idea where you got the idea I advocate for harassment for pointing out block only works when it's actively used properly.

All I'm saying is there's a trend to people who want a stronger block, claiming it's due to harassment, being guilty of harassment themselves.

Like, there's one guy who has six paid accounts who goes around calling other people trolls. All while posting nonstop about woke, "lefties" etc. And said guy has legit made two of those accounts to literally harass someone, openly called a used a "kiddy fiddler" on one account within minutes of it being made. But this guy likes to present like he's the victim.


I'm just saying users should be wary of who is trying to claim what.

[Amaterasu]

I am once again advocating for the removal of the culture war on Steam. It's tiresome and makes it hard to enjoy this hobby when people are screaming about things being woke/not woke enough

[Tito Shivan]

Originalmente postado por Amaterasu:

I am once again advocating for the removal of the culture war on Steam. It's tiresome and makes it hard to enjoy this hobby when people are screaming about things being woke/not woke enough

Just reinstate the 'no politics' rule and enforce it hard for a time. (Developer hubs seem to be doing it better than Steam moderation at this time) and 90% of the noise and toxicity will be gone

[Crashed]

Originalmente postado por Tito Shivan:

Originalmente postado por Amaterasu:

I am once again advocating for the removal of the culture war on Steam. It's tiresome and makes it hard to enjoy this hobby when people are screaming about things being woke/not woke enough

Just reinstate the 'no politics' rule and enforce it hard for a time. (Developer hubs seem to be doing it better than Steam moderation at this time) and 90% of the noise and toxicity will be gone

Especially since too many equate politics with hate.

[TBS AlexDK]

Originalmente postado por Crashed:

Originalmente postado por Tito Shivan:

Just reinstate the 'no politics' rule and enforce it hard for a time. (Developer hubs seem to be doing it better than Steam moderation at this time) and 90% of the noise and toxicity will be gone

Especially since too many equate politics with hate.

Many equate criticism or disagreement with hate

[Crashed]

Originalmente postado por TBS AlexDK:

Originalmente postado por Crashed:

Especially since too many equate politics with hate.

Many equate criticism or disagreement with hate

When you "criticize" or "disagree" on the basis of legally protected characteristics, that's when it starts to cross the line.

[William Shakesman]

Originalmente postado por TBS AlexDK:

Originalmente postado por Crashed:

Especially since too many equate politics with hate.

Many equate criticism or disagreement with hate

Just as many people confuse criticism of a game with politics.

Originalmente postado por Crashed:

Originalmente postado por TBS AlexDK:

Many equate criticism or disagreement with hate

When you "criticize" or "disagree" on the basis of legally protected characteristics, that's when it starts to cross the line.

This is the sort of verbal sleight of hand where the only acceptable answer to the question of how many immigrants one should prefer in ones community is "Infinite" and any smaller number, one fewer than infinite, results in a ban.

[Doctor Zalgo]

Originalmente postado por TBS AlexDK:

Originalmente postado por Crashed:

Especially since too many equate politics with hate.

Many equate criticism or disagreement with hate

When people 'disagree' that people with certain skin colours, religions, sexuality, etc should be allowed to exist and be depicted in media, that's not really 'disagreement'.