Re-examine sexual/mature anime game fairness

[Average New Yorker]

To be straight forward and right to the point, could you have the the rules about nudity and sexual content re-examined in terms of allowing or denying a game appearing on steam.

Steam inconsistency approves mature anime games and im asking for the review process to be revised. While we don't know the specifics of it, the outcome is how we know the process is flawed in this case.

There have been many great premium games that have been rejected from steam like "Tokyo Clanpool" or "Evenicle 2" that have legitimate gameplay and are not low effort shovelware or shock bait porn games like "Sex with Hitler", "Sex with Stalin", or the "My [insert relationship here] is a futanari" games.

I feel it is unfair for these games to be on the steam store, and yet the prior two I listed get rejected. Especially when there are games like Neptunia, Gal Gun, Evenicle 1, Nekopara + DLC, Sabbath of the witch, Elf Girl Pinball, Karakara Vol 1+2, Mamau and the Labyrinth, Maitetsu, Koikatsu Party, Corona Blossom, Senran Kagura, and Under Party, God Eater3, all games that are available on steam, don't have sexualization or suggestive Imagery of lolis in them. And all of those were to just name a few.

There was a similar situation with the Chaos;Head game that it was initially rejected until backlash.

I enjoy buying games on the steam platform, and have to use other storefronts to buy games that get rejected here for seemingly no reason in compassion to others.

Please make a universal stance on sexual and nudity game approvals or denials.

[Zefar]

Origineel geplaatst door EliteEndermanzz:

Why did those games get rejected

Maybe because of this.

Origineel geplaatst door Komarimaru:

Well, after doing some more research...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxVUtr71Ob4

I'd say there's good reason for Valve to be a bit unsure if should be allowed or not.

[Average New Yorker]

Origineel geplaatst door EliteEndermanzz:

Why did those games get rejected

Good question.

Thats part of the reason why this thread exists.

While we dont know for certain it isnt a far reach to assume it's for sexualization of anime girls.

While Clanpool is fan service in nature, there are more sexually explicit games mentioned previously that are for sale on steam. So seeing this one get rejected is inconsistent with what's been approved.

The video someone linked showing "gameplay" is misrepresenting the game. The game itself is a old school dungeon crawler/exploration game.

Whats being shown is a very small portion of the game which is a mini game.

[Zefar]

Origineel geplaatst door Average New Yorker:

The video someone linked showing "gameplay" is misrepresenting the game. The game itself is a old school dungeon crawler/exploration game.

Whats being shown is a very small portion of the game which is a mini game.

Okay, here's the thing. Doesn't matter how "small" the portion of a game has it, if that bad thing is so close too making adult content of minors it's not going onto the store page.

Lets say you have a game with 100 hours of content and only 1 minute of actual child porn in it. That ♥♥♥♥ is not getting released on Steam.

[Average New Yorker]

Origineel geplaatst door Zefar:

Origineel geplaatst door Average New Yorker:

The video someone linked showing "gameplay" is misrepresenting the game. The game itself is a old school dungeon crawler/exploration game.

Whats being shown is a very small portion of the game which is a mini game.

Okay, here's the thing. Doesn't matter how "small" the portion of a game has it, if that bad thing is so close too making adult content of minors it's not going onto the store page.

Lets say you have a game with 100 hours of content and only 1 minute of actual child porn in it. That ♥♥♥♥ is not getting released on Steam.

Its not actual CSCM. And as I said, there are actually explicit games, this one is fan service

[davidb11]

Yeah, and VAlve's standards on rejecting games is hit and miss at times.
Look, if it's legally allowed to be sold in America, it shouldn't be an issue.

However, Valve is allowed to say, "No, we will not have it for sale."
And that's that.

They have the legal authority to refuse to sell a game.
And it doesn't matter if it's hit or miss standards for rejecting.

They simply have all the power.

So, at the end of the day, fan service games exist all over, and I Wouldn't worry too much about Valve being inconsistent because of them.

IT's not worth getting gray hair over. :P
Valve does Valve things.

[Average New Yorker]

Origineel geplaatst door davidb11:

Yeah, and VAlve's standards on rejecting games is hit and miss at times.
Look, if it's legally allowed to be sold in America, it shouldn't be an issue.

However, Valve is allowed to say, "No, we will not have it for sale."
And that's that.

They have the legal authority to refuse to sell a game.
And it doesn't matter if it's hit or miss standards for rejecting.

They simply have all the power.

So, at the end of the day, fan service games exist all over, and I Wouldn't worry too much about Valve being inconsistent because of them.

IT's not worth getting gray hair over. :P
Valve does Valve things.

Yup valve does reserve the right, but from a business standpoint doesn't make sense not to sell something you can legally sell.

[davidb11]

True, but remember, businesses are strange things. :P
They are akin to Cthulhu and basically hard to fully grasp and stay sane.

[William Shakesman]

Origineel geplaatst door Zefar:

Origineel geplaatst door Average New Yorker:

The video someone linked showing "gameplay" is misrepresenting the game. The game itself is a old school dungeon crawler/exploration game.

Whats being shown is a very small portion of the game which is a mini game.

Okay, here's the thing. Doesn't matter how "small" the portion of a game has it, if that bad thing is so close too making adult content of minors it's not going onto the store page.

Lets say you have a game with 100 hours of content and only 1 minute of actual child porn in it. That ♥♥♥♥ is not getting released on Steam.

There's zero minutes of that content in any of the games we are discussing.

[davidb11]

Origineel geplaatst door William Shakesman:

Origineel geplaatst door Zefar:

Okay, here's the thing. Doesn't matter how "small" the portion of a game has it, if that bad thing is so close too making adult content of minors it's not going onto the store page.

Lets say you have a game with 100 hours of content and only 1 minute of actual child porn in it. That ♥♥♥♥ is not getting released on Steam.

There's zero minutes of that content in any of the games we are discussing.

He was literally using a hypothetical example!

[Average New Yorker]

Origineel geplaatst door davidb11:

Origineel geplaatst door William Shakesman:

There's zero minutes of that content in any of the games we are discussing.

He was literally using a hypothetical example!

Yes, and if it were the case hypothetically that there was actual CSCM in a game, I would be first in line to not only deplatform it but have the devs arrested.

But these games are all animation. No humans are harmed in the making of these games.

To compare anime to actual crime devalues the severity of the crime.

If someone finds anime, and loli characters in anime disgusting, go ahead. You are entitled to feel that way. But to compare it to a real crime that harms real people is not arguable.

And for the people that would alike it to a gateway drug to something more serious, the same could be said for all violent or sexual media influencing people.

People should have the ability to separate fiction from reality. This is why we have shows and games featuring murder, violence, depictions of abuse, ect.

[davidb11]

Origineel geplaatst door Average New Yorker:

Origineel geplaatst door davidb11:

He was literally using a hypothetical example!

Yes, and if it were the case hypothetically that there was actual CSCM in a game, I would be first in line to not only deplatform it but have the devs arrested.

But these games are all animation. No humans are harmed in the making of these games.

To compare anime to actual crime devalues the severity of the crime.

If someone finds anime, and loli characters in anime disgusting, go ahead. You are entitled to feel that way. But to compare it to a real crime that harms real people is not arguable.

And for the people that would alike it to a gateway drug to something more serious, the same could be said for all violent or sexual media influencing people.

People should have the ability to separate fiction from reality. This is why we have shows and games featuring murder, violence, depictions of abuse, ect.

Yes. Exactly.
Well said.

I wish people would stop confusing the real life issue with cartoons.
Ugh.
That's just digusting.

[Ben Lubar]

The Steam rules say

In addition to the items below, content you publish on Steam must comply with the Steam Distribution Agreement, the Steam Subscriber Agreement, Steam Online Conduct guidelines and the Steam Privacy Policy.

What you shouldn’t publish on Steam:
[...]
8. Content that exploits children in any way

A similar statement is also in the online conduct guidelines.

This doesn't say "real children". It just says "children". An update to Skyrim that allows you to have sex with the completely fictional children in the game would violate this rule. So that's the baseline. The thing you're talking about is currently against the rules. I know you already understand that, but I wanted to establish it in text.

Here's the reason that's not getting changed: Steam has more reasons to not change that rule than to change it. Sure, there might be a few more games that can publish on Steam, but Steam is already doing fine with those games only being sold on other stores, and there's no version of the news story about that change that makes Steam look good.

[Doctor Zalgo]

Origineel geplaatst door Average New Yorker:

Origineel geplaatst door davidb11:

He was literally using a hypothetical example!

Yes, and if it were the case hypothetically that there was actual CSCM in a game, I would be first in line to not only deplatform it but have the devs arrested.

But these games are all animation. No humans are harmed in the making of these games.

To compare anime to actual crime devalues the severity of the crime.

If someone finds anime, and loli characters in anime disgusting, go ahead. You are entitled to feel that way. But to compare it to a real crime that harms real people is not arguable.

And for the people that would alike it to a gateway drug to something more serious, the same could be said for all violent or sexual media influencing people.

People should have the ability to separate fiction from reality. This is why we have shows and games featuring murder, violence, depictions of abuse, ect.

What you're saying doesn't matter. Gabe doesn't want to have to testify in Congress that this particular depiction of child sex abuse is ok because it's a cartoon.

[davidb11]

Origineel geplaatst door Doctor Zalgo:

Origineel geplaatst door Average New Yorker:

Yes, and if it were the case hypothetically that there was actual CSCM in a game, I would be first in line to not only deplatform it but have the devs arrested.

But these games are all animation. No humans are harmed in the making of these games.

To compare anime to actual crime devalues the severity of the crime.

If someone finds anime, and loli characters in anime disgusting, go ahead. You are entitled to feel that way. But to compare it to a real crime that harms real people is not arguable.

And for the people that would alike it to a gateway drug to something more serious, the same could be said for all violent or sexual media influencing people.

People should have the ability to separate fiction from reality. This is why we have shows and games featuring murder, violence, depictions of abuse, ect.

What you're saying doesn't matter. Gabe doesn't want to have to testify in Congress that this particular depiction of child sex abuse is ok because it's a cartoon.

Except that isn't a thing ever.
Gabe wouldn't be doing that for any game on Steam, or even attempted to bring on Steam.
Congress doesn't even have the rules on their side to even claim cartoons are real life people.
Which is the only way they'd be asking for Gabe.

Good grief.
You are aware that by comparing the fictional child stuff, of any type to the real traumatizing event, it's offensive to everyone who suffered from it, right?

I'm not trying to be mean, but that's what I don't understand.

[davidb11]

Why are you making up stuff about me, Doctor Zalgo?
That makes no sense.

Everyone knows you can't compare anything in a video game to real life people.
Ever.
It's just dismissing the actual real crime that happens.
No one is doing whatever you're claiming about cartoons.
Do you honestly think Loli is the same thing as a real life adult woman who dresses young and has a petite body type?
Eh?
I hate Loli.