There should be free speech on a public forum

[Lambros]

There should be free speech on a public forum

This is a public forum.

Furthermore I notice posts are getting deleted but even more deleted than before, to the point where you dont even see them in your own post history.

[rawWwRrr]

Originally posted by The Commendatore:

Why do they always think this means freedom of consequence?

The best is when they cite the US 1st Amendment not realizing that is a restriction of the government, not of private entities.

[William Shakesman]

The correct framework to understand this discussion is, again, the Steam rules enforce a culture that does not at all match how the customer base talks as gamers, nor does it match how people talk in person with people they know in a real life professional setting. The rules being alien to both cultures is what leads to a lot of these misunderstandings. The simplest way to state it: If you act on Steam the way you act with people you work with, you'll get in trouble.

As I often say, there is no rule against lying, there IS a rule against calling someone a liar. Understand that and the behaviors one must take to comply with Steam rules and avoid banning becomes quite clear.

(Also there's no point in appealing to principles nobody shares. Nobody here supports free speech in theory period. Certainly not for you.)

Originally posted by MrNewell123:

Originally posted by Tito Shivan:

https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/6862-8119-C23E-EA7B
The problem with people is that too often they forget of being constructive when giving negative criticism.

It's not the WHAT the thing that gets you banned. It's the HOW.

They're literally not even looking at these reports..

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/7/6982351752479606520/

We can't talk about anything free speech, or at all being constructive, or any matter, if moderation clearly don't know what they're doing.

That's impossible. I was assured moderation only bans people for breaking the rules and no other reason.

[RiO]

Originally posted by MrNewell123:

Originally posted by Aachen:

What “may be coming” to force a client fork for the United States?

And my guess is, Mr Trump is not one to adhere to Mr Newells or others rules, and therefore, like he has, and Musk has, outlets that are more afformentioned to free speech issues. And on the other hand, much tougher on issues the right wing may not adhere too.

And given Steam cannot hold other countries to that account, they will likely be forced to set up, a separate US client to have our freedoms, adhered too.

You should read up on the news a bit.

Dutch courts have convicted Twitter/X of illegal actions under the Digital Services Act. Concretely: the way they 'shadow-ban' accounts without properly informing users of an account limitation being in effect and without offering those users the legally required means of redress.
The presiding judge ruled X were required to restore the plaintiff's account to normal status reinforced by a daily penalty payment of 4000 EUR until the account is restored. Coincidentally, the same judge also took a look at the general terms and conditions for use of the platform, and also found several faults with those wrt the Unfair Contracts Terms Directive from '93 (or more precisely: the concrete implementation of that in Dutch law) which will likely also be required to be amended.

This was a civil suit though, but it shows the ball has started to roll.
The cat's out of the bag.
The genie is out of the bottle.
etc.


(Btw. Steam has a few of the same terms in its subscriber agreement that the courts found fault with. Wonder what that will end up doing, in the end.)

[Aachen]

Originally posted by William Shakesman:

…. (Also there's no point in appealing to principles nobody shares. Nobody here supports free speech in theory period. Certainly not for you.) ….

You don’t think any of us support a person’s freedom to host a blog? What’s your basis?

[xBCxRangers]

Originally posted by RiO:

Originally posted by MrNewell123:

And my guess is, Mr Trump is not one to adhere to Mr Newells or others rules, and therefore, like he has, and Musk has, outlets that are more afformentioned to free speech issues. And on the other hand, much tougher on issues the right wing may not adhere too.

And given Steam cannot hold other countries to that account, they will likely be forced to set up, a separate US client to have our freedoms, adhered too.

You should read up on the news a bit.

Dutch courts have convicted Twitter/X of illegal actions under the Digital Services Act. Concretely: the way they 'shadow-ban' accounts without properly informing users of an account limitation being in effect and without offering those users the legally required means of redress.
The presiding judge ruled X were required to restore the plaintiff's account to normal status reinforced by a daily penalty payment of 4000 EUR until the account is restored. Coincidentally, the same judge also took a look at the general terms and conditions for use of the platform, and also found several faults with those wrt the Unfair Contracts Terms Directive from '93 (or more precisely: the concrete implementation of that in Dutch law) which will likely also be required to be amended.

This was a civil suit though, but it shows the ball has started to roll.
The cat's out of the bag.
The genie is out of the bottle.
etc.


(Btw. Steam has a few of the same terms in its subscriber agreement that the courts found fault with. Wonder what that will end up doing, in the end.)

Right, interesting about the Dutch, but this was an interesting post, and the reason it is, i think we're on ground here, i have never personally seen.

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/0/6982351752479138197/

Therefore, it's very hard to tell, just what is going to happen, at least here in the States.

[Mad Scientist]

Originally posted by MrNewell123:

Right, interesting about the Dutch, but this was an interesting post, and the reason it is, i think we're on ground here, i have never personally seen.

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/0/6982351752479138197/

Therefore, it's very hard to tell, just what is going to happen, at least here in the States.

I knew it was about that thread when this was made, seems like people are just fearmongering the upcoming us-election with things that aren't going to happen as a result. It's this kind of thing that makes people realize one side has just lost it by constantly using extreme rhetoric or resorting to violence. That's why you don't listen to threads that are literally based on a very unlikely 'what-if' question because it's not rooted in the reality of the situation.

Anyway, as per usual like every other thread on this; private property means you follow the hosts rules or you get removed, it's a super simple and normal thing when dealing with private property.

[xBCxRangers]

Originally posted by Mad Scientist:

We just don't know what "private property" is going to mean to future political leaders, regulators and courts. Particularly a leader, whio was in fact banned from a platform, as the President, with a congress that may feel in kind.

Very tough to gauge, and i don't think any of us can predict, really.

[Animus]

True free speech is speech with zero consequence, which may sound good until someone's address or banking details get dropped in the heat of the moment.

[Crazy Tiger]

No, people should learn how "free speech" actually works. And no, this is a privately owned forum that is open to others.

[William Shakesman]

Originally posted by Crazy Tiger:

No, people should learn how "free speech" actually works. And no, this is a privately owned forum that is open to others.

Free speech, both as a concept and as legislated in the first amendment, existed alongside blasphemy laws at the founding of the country. Absolutely NOBODY today knows what free speech means.

[smokerob79]

NO.....if you want it start your own form and deal with the liability plus costs, then have at it.....

[peppermint hollows]

Originally posted by Mad Scientist:

It's this kind of thing that makes people realize one side has just lost it by constantly using extreme rhetoric or resorting to violence.

I wonder which side that is.

[Iron Knights]

"We The Corporations" Disagree with you since 1865. They've taken the reigns, make & write "laws" and use governments for their little hand puppets.

[Ethanol]

I'm sorry, but is Steam considered private property or public property?

[Iron Knights]

Originally posted by Lambros:

Originally posted by Brian9824:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2923469968

And thats why we have labels.

Loser and scumbags ban. But they dont do me a disservice as my time is better spent being mad and improving myself.

NOPE, they do have to Host your BS, otherwise it is against:
1) The 1st Amendment of USA, a country in which they operate.
2) Against the 9th Amendment in the Bill of Rights.
3) UCC 1-308 Code, a contract signed "without prejudice" aka without giving up any rights.
4) Discrimination based on Race, Age, Sex, or CREED is not allowed in USA based on the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Exception: Individuals interfering with the functionality of the forum, aka spam, porno spam, hacker tools use or worse, like attacks on the server.

Individuals will not be affected, as they have an INFINITE BLOCK LIST, and I will stand by any Corpo. that uses such, the simple text file may even reside on MY PC, as long as it is read and used. So you can customize your forum experience to your liking.