note lots of steam community forum users banned

[76561199496784570]

its concerning because most of these people aren't doing anything wrong and are being subject to inconsistent and aggressive banning practices by steam.


as a result, i think steam should start posting moderator accounts next to the banned persons name where is says "Banned" it should show the community who has banned them, and the reason why.

why they should do this?

because steam moderation itself needs to be investigated because of the way it acts out against typical non threatening users. that by disclosing the moderator who is banning individuals we as a community can see who the problem is, we can then report it directly to steam support that hey this moderator is acting out against users, is conspiring with malicious groups on the forums and is generally in violation of moderation rights.

i will agree that sometimes we all deserve a ban for something we might of wrongfully said or engaged in activity, however there is a point that it becomes excessive and malicious, because moderators are just people to and they seem to make more mistakes then typical users do.

Clarity is needed to protect the community from this malicious banning and forum moderation abuse.



update:

ever user on this thread has been linked together in a group as a toxic and user reporter seeking to ban the content of others from the forum, i knew this would easily get all of your attention and put you all in a nice place out of the the general "steam community" main threads.

this is why this topic is still active and this account isn't banned because the moderator you all work with is not allowed to control topic views on this discussion thread section of steam.

while i find it rather annoying and some what childish that you all goto such great lengths to lie about steam users and try to harass and belittle them, and try to get them banned. i am somewhat not suprised. this is the typical behavior that can be seen by social groupings

I hope that some serious investigation is done into the steam community forum moderation, that steam users can once again find a voice without being berated by the lot of you.


the only person with legit input on this was Kitt who i have noted as being a victim in the past of your little banning game against users.


i personally enjoy that you come at me , and i hope you enjoy that i stand up to you and i will continue to stand up to your shenanigans until this community and steam itself is a better place for all of its users.

my regards to the real moderators who are not manipulated by pettiness and seek only to do a professional and upstanding job, good work, i hope that you will continue to safe guard our community against people that seek to hurt it. such as the ones commenting viciously upon this thread.

i hope that this all sheds real light onto the hostility of user banning going on in the "steam community" threads as the general display can show that most users don't engage in forum responses, it is only these users, who clearly show hostile intent and have personal vendetta's

[76561199502389647]

sometimes you just have to accept that its all a lie and believe what you see. or in this case what they do and what they remove.

the only reason they would have for removing something is because it could hurt them, the only reason they would ban someone is cause they where right or toxic, in this case it doesn't seem toxic but rather informative.

i am lead to believe that bans where issued because the users where asking questions that steam can't answer without some level of guilt.

its a gaming forum you run into these kinda things on gaming forums, when people can't win on games they cheat, when people can't win at discussions they get users banned, it is the same thing all the time.

the bottom line is there aren't enough of us in the forums to ban everyone everytime they do something, there will just be no forum posting left.

[kitt]

I counted my bans last night.

Since October 2020 I received 17 bans on the main Steam forums and in my honest opinion 2-3 bans were legit (especially early on). But even trying to walk on egg shells didn't change anything in regards to bans.

Now the question is why do they not perma ban? is like the user above said? they would have to actually explain the reason (which they still have not done to any of the prior bans)?
In what world can you get banned 17 times and not received a perma?

[Brian9824]

Publicado originalmente por kitt:

I counted my bans last night.

Since October 2020 I received 17 bans on the main Steam forums and in my honest opinion 2-3 bans were legit (especially early on). But even trying to walk on egg shells didn't change anything in regards to bans.

Now the question is why do they not perma ban? is like the user above said? they would have to actually explain the reasonings (which they still have not done to any of the prior bans)?
In what world can you get banned 17 times and not received a perma?

That is a question i've asked many times. Volunteer mods would have, and I definitely would issue a perma ban after that many bans. It seems many current moderators just stick with the quick ban and punt the issue down the road.

I mean they don't have to explain why you've been an issued a permanent ban, and if they did its as simple as excessive amounts of bans. So trying to claim they don't permanent ban because they'd have to explain it isn't based in any actual reality, because they don't have to explain ANY of their actions to you...

[cinedine]

I still don't get why people feel the need to defend moderation or tell others their experiences and opinions are invalid.
And why it's predominantley the same few people arguing with nearly everyone who had bad experiences with moderation. Even when they themselves have found themselves on the receiving end.

Funny enough asking this last time got me an infraction for being combatitve ...

Publicado originalmente por kitt:

if only a billion dollar company were able to have some logic in their doing or have their employees not have weird "sign offs" in tickets like "go lakers" and such..

I once got "hitting the ground running". No. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Idea. What that was supposed to mean as a sign-off. As far as my understanding of the phrase goes it means being excited to start something new.
Wonder why some people think that support is handled by AI.

[Psymon²]

Publicado originalmente por cinedine:

I still don't get why people feel the need to defend moderation or tell others their experiences and opinions are invalid.
And why it's predominantley the same few people arguing with nearly everyone who had bad experiences with moderation. Even when they themselves have found themselves on the receiving end.

Funny enough asking this last time got me an infraction for being combatitve ...

Publicado originalmente por kitt:

if only a billion dollar company were able to have some logic in their doing or have their employees not have weird "sign offs" in tickets like "go lakers" and such..

I once got "hitting the ground running". No. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Idea. What that was supposed to mean as a sign-off. As far as my understanding of the phrase goes it means being excited to start something new.
Wonder why some people think that support is handled by AI.

gas lighting is not something a rational mind does.
therefore, there's nothing to "get" about why it happens...
fanbois gunna fanboi.

i too got the "very professional" sign offs on support tickets you mention:
"hitting the ground running"
what made that all the more hilarious was they hadn't even remotely come close to answering the issues i raised in the support ticket.

[Tanoomba]

Publicado originalmente por cinedine:

I still don't get why people feel the need to defend moderation or tell others their experiences and opinions are invalid.

You don't get that people have different perspective and want to present counterpoints when they see flawed narratives?

[RasaNova]

Publicado originalmente por Tanoomba:

Publicado originalmente por cinedine:

I still don't get why people feel the need to defend moderation or tell others their experiences and opinions are invalid.

You don't get that people have different perspective and want to present counterpoints when they see flawed narratives?

Probably because it's easy to brush off people with differing views by simply accusing them of defending whatever "bad" thing they don't like, or calling them shills, or whatever else they can use in order to brush off somebody's point instead of addressing it.

I mean, look at these threads about moderation. Yeah there are some regulars here trying to point out how it works and how to avoid being moderated. There are just as many regulars denouncing moderation and claiming it's out of control.

The simple truth is that it's not as bad as many are making it out to be. I will agree that it's not always fair. It is in fact WORSE than I thought it was a few weeks ago before I gave it a 2nd thought. But, as a general rule, I do still believe that being civil and avoiding hostile or inflamatory posting will stop most of the bans. And some of those being banned, it seems quite obvious why.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Publicado originalmente por kitt:

Publicado originalmente por RasaNova:

I mean, look at these threads about moderation. Yeah there are some regulars here trying to point out how it works and how to avoid being moderated. There are just as many regulars denouncing moderation and claiming it's out of control.

you mean the folks that can call others "asshats, trolls, bigots" and such? write death wishes?

and not being moderated at all?



yea I could also tell folks how to behave when I have free reign.. its easy when you excempt from punishment.

No one called you an asshat. No one wishes death on anyone here.

[AROCK!!!]

Publicado originalmente por RasaNova:

Publicado originalmente por Tanoomba:

You don't get that people have different perspective and want to present counterpoints when they see flawed narratives?

Probably because it's easy to brush off people with differing views by simply accusing them of defending whatever "bad" thing they don't like, or calling them shills, or whatever else they can use in order to brush off somebody's point instead of addressing it.

I mean, look at these threads about moderation. Yeah there are some regulars here trying to point out how it works and how to avoid being moderated. There are just as many regulars denouncing moderation and claiming it's out of control.

The simple truth is that it's not as bad as many are making it out to be. I will agree that it's not always fair. It is in fact WORSE than I thought it was a few weeks ago before I gave it a 2nd thought. But, as a general rule, I do still believe that being civil and avoiding hostile or inflamatory posting will stop most of the bans. And some of those being banned, it seems quite obvious why.

one of the "moderation is fine" people once posted, "I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire", and despite numerous people reporting it, nothing ever happened, not even the comment was removed, and at the same time people are banned for saying "this thread is comedy gold".

Too many times I have had my replies removed, and even banned for them, just to have support reverse the ban again and again, and this also happens with numerous other people.

Now I can see a ban getting overturned here and there, but the amount of times it's happening, in this thread alone, speaks volumes.

Typically when I report a comment it takes at a minimum several days to get a reply, if i even get one, and this seems to be the general time frame based on others comments.

However, more times than I can count, people in the "moderation is out of control" group have been repeatedly banned within minutes of posting...not hours or days, but minutes, and I'm talking less than 5 minutes.


Not long ago I replied to a post, in which I countered several points made by the other guy. My comments were on topic, calm, and in no way hostile or aggressive...as I said, i made counter points.

I posted the reply, read it and noticed a few spelling errors. I clicked edit, and when I went to save changes my comment had been removed, and I had been banned for being "argumentative"....this happened within 2 minutes.

[Satoru]

Publicado originalmente por ÁROCK!!!:

However, more times than I can count, people in the "moderation is out of control" group have been repeatedly banned within minutes of posting...not hours or days, but minutes, and I'm talking less than 5 minutes.

Its amazing, almost like those who say 'moderation is out of control' are constantly breaking the rules resulting in them being banned. One must wonder why this group keeps breaking the rules and then complains about moderation?

https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=4045-USHJ-3810

Read the rules and stop breaking them. Its not that difficult.

[AROCK!!!]

Publicado originalmente por Satoru:

Publicado originalmente por ÁROCK!!!:

However, more times than I can count, people in the "moderation is out of control" group have been repeatedly banned within minutes of posting...not hours or days, but minutes, and I'm talking less than 5 minutes.

Its amazing, almost like those who say 'moderation is out of control' are constantly breaking the rules resulting in them being banned. One must wonder why this group keeps breaking the rules and then complains about moderation?

https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=4045-USHJ-3810

Read the rules and stop breaking them. Its not that difficult.

great job at cherry picking a single piece of what I said while ignoring the rest so you can take things out of context in order to create a strawman argument.


Things like this are why I blocked you.

I wish STEAM would finally fix it so block users are also blocked when quoted by others.

[Start_Running]

Publicado originalmente por WolfEisberg:

Publicado originalmente por Satoru:

Its amazing, almost like those who say 'moderation is out of control' are constantly breaking the rules resulting in them being banned. One must wonder why this group keeps breaking the rules and then complains about moderation?

https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=4045-USHJ-3810

Read the rules and stop breaking them. Its not that difficult.

Then explain how someone can call me stupid, shill, bootlicker, a drone, I report all of those and nothing ever happens to that person and the comments remain, but then i simply state it's not reasonable to call someone a bootlicker and I'm the one that gets banned by Steam support?

I would suspect its because the person who responded to that report actually knows the full details and the context you're likely leaving out m8.

Publicado originalmente por ÁROCK!!!:

Publicado originalmente por RasaNova:

Probably because it's easy to brush off people with differing views by simply accusing them of defending whatever "bad" thing they don't like, or calling them shills, or whatever else they can use in order to brush off somebody's point instead of addressing it.

I mean, look at these threads about moderation. Yeah there are some regulars here trying to point out how it works and how to avoid being moderated. There are just as many regulars denouncing moderation and claiming it's out of control.

The simple truth is that it's not as bad as many are making it out to be. I will agree that it's not always fair. It is in fact WORSE than I thought it was a few weeks ago before I gave it a 2nd thought. But, as a general rule, I do still believe that being civil and avoiding hostile or inflamatory posting will stop most of the bans. And some of those being banned, it seems quite obvious why.

one of the "moderation is fine" people once posted, "I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire", and despite numerous people reporting it, nothing ever happened, not even the comment was removed, and at the same time people are banned for saying "this thread is comedy gold".

So saying they wouldn't piss on you, is a bad thing?
Irony uis that if they had said they'd piss on you that would have been an actionable offense I suppose. But then again.. I suspect a fair bit of context and nuance is beingh...strategically omitted...from your recounting.

Publicado originalmente por ÁROCK!!!:

I posted the reply, read it and noticed a few spelling errors. I clicked edit, and when I went to save changes my comment had been removed, and I had been banned for being "argumentative"....this happened within 2 minutes.

Do you have any objectively verifiable evidence as to the banality of this post?

keep in mind I'm someone who copped a ban for making a Dad-Joke once.
Looking back at the joke....it was a fair cop.

[Prof.Jackie]

Publicado originalmente por Start_Running:

So saying they wouldn't piss on you, is a bad thing?

You conveniently left out the second half of the sentence and completly twisted the meaning of it and you know it.
The part which you left out makes the statement basically a death threat talking about death by neglect.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Publicado originalmente por Prof.Jackie:

Publicado originalmente por Start_Running:

So saying they wouldn't piss on you, is a bad thing?

You conveniently left out the second half of the sentence and completly twisted the meaning of it and you know it.
The part which you left out makes the statement basically a death threat talking about death by neglect.

That isn't a death threat.

[Thermal Lance]

Publicado originalmente por Prof.Jackie:

Publicado originalmente por Start_Running:

So saying they wouldn't piss on you, is a bad thing?

You conveniently left out the second half of the sentence and completly twisted the meaning of it and you know it.
The part which you left out makes the statement basically a death threat talking about death by neglect.

I think you are taking that way too literally. There is plenty of people I wouldn't piss on if they were on fire. Roasting some wieners on the other hand...