Upload System Specs to Profile
If you are going to allow reviews, there should be a requirement to upload the PC system specs directly to the users profile. This should be manditory for reviewers.

If someone writes about poor performance on a brand new release, it would be nice to see if they are running on a dual core Pentium with a dedicated Intel graphics card and 2 GB of RAM; or an i7 with twin Titans.

This would also be useful for anyone posting in the forums with technical issues. You can just click on their profile ID and see what system specs they are running.
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Цитата допису Bad_Conduct:
If you are going to allow reviews, there should be a requirement to upload the PC system specs directly to the users profile. This should be manditory for reviewers.

If someone writes about poor performance on a brand new release, it would be nice to see if they are running on a dual core Pentium with a dedicated Intel graphics card and 2 GB of RAM; or an i7 with twin Titans.

This would also be useful for anyone posting in the forums with technical issues. You can just click on their profile ID and see what system specs they are running.
There are two concerns which comes to my mind :

-How would you get the information ?
If it's manual, what if the user doesn't know ? You can still redirect him to his config window, but it'll be a hassle for him and he will most likely fill it up with garbage just to be done with it.
If it's automated, what if the user post his review from another computer ?
I could post my review at work, for example, where only XP computers (along with the old hardware) are assigned, whereas the game was played on a Windows 7 or 8, with more-than-average tech.

-How would you manage user privacy needs ?
You still have to fight against them if you wish to implement it.
I, for example, don't like my specs being available to everyone, but I'd also like to write reviews for the games I liked or not. If my review doesn't tackle performance issues at all, this mandatory "spec specifying" becomes pointless.

That's too much trouble and too complicated for too little benefit.
Invalid.
Цитата допису Fox:
Цитата допису Bad_Conduct:
If you are going to allow reviews, there should be a requirement to upload the PC system specs directly to the users profile. This should be manditory for reviewers.

If someone writes about poor performance on a brand new release, it would be nice to see if they are running on a dual core Pentium with a dedicated Intel graphics card and 2 GB of RAM; or an i7 with twin Titans.

This would also be useful for anyone posting in the forums with technical issues. You can just click on their profile ID and see what system specs they are running.
There are two concerns which comes to my mind :

-How would you get the information ?
If it's manual, what if the user doesn't know ? You can still redirect him to his config window, but it'll be a hassle for him and he will most likely fill it up with garbage just to be done with it.
If it's automated, what if the user post his review from another computer ?
I could post my review at work, for example, where only XP computers (along with the old hardware) are assigned, whereas the game was played on a Windows 7 or 8, with more-than-average tech.

-How would you manage user privacy needs ?
You still have to fight against them if you wish to implement it.
I, for example, don't like my specs being available to everyone, but I'd also like to write reviews for the games I liked or not. If my review doesn't tackle performance issues at all, this mandatory "spec specifying" becomes pointless.

That's too much trouble and too complicated for too little benefit.
Invalid.


-How would you get the information ?

Click a button that says "Scan System" and uploads the data from Windows or Direct X.
It's pretty simple.
Steam is also registered by computer, which requires an email confirmation. So they can publish a review from one PC or another, but it would be simple to see a list of hardware they use.

-How would you manage user privacy needs ?

You are worried about Privacy on the internet? That's long done. If you are concerned about privacy, don't use the internet. It's long been established that everything you do is recorded and tracked.

Not sure this is really an issue if people consent to uploading their system specs. Most people post them anyway for techincal issues. Steam already scans your system specs, because it knows if you are using an AMD video card (and which driver).
Автор останньої редакції: Bad_Conduct; 30 листоп. 2013 о 11:14
Цитата допису Bad_Conduct:
-How would you get the information ?

Click a button that says "Scan System" and uploads the data from Windows or Direct X.
It's pretty simple.
See my little case above in the case where it's automatically done.

Цитата допису Bad_Conduct:
-How would you manage user privacy needs ?

You are worried about Privacy on the internet? That's long done. If you are concerned about privacy, don't use the internet. It's long been established that everything you do is recorded and tracked.

Not sure this is really an issue if people consent to uploading their system specs. Most people post them anyway for techincal issues. Steam already scans your system specs, because it knows if you are using an AMD video card (and which driver).
The problem isn't "users don't consent to upload specs", but rather "upload specs (personal) to give a simple review".

Any user compelled to give out personnal information will mosy likely set off a complaint, which can have consequences on the PR of his asker. I can already think on the fly about social network related asks (complains about Facebook wanting to know everything about you, or Google+ implementing itself into google services, Youtube being the most notorious example), which shines a bad light upon them even before you'd even think to try them.

You also didn't address the subject of the review. Please tell me how specs notification matter if you recommend the game, or if you didn't like the story, as from what I've understand, reviews will require you to upload your specs, regardless of contents.
Автор останньої редакції: Fox; 30 листоп. 2013 о 11:20
If it's automated, what if the user post his review from another computer ?

See my second part. If that's the rare case, all systems people use are registered. I'll assume you can flag your gaming rig.

This will seperate Windows from Linux reviews as well.

I can already think on the fly about social network related asks...

The Canadian Government is developing a department who's sole purpose is to track and record all social media. Privacy online is dead.
Don't use Steam if you want privacy.
Don't use social media if you want privacy.

Privacy isn't an issue because there is no privacy.
There never was privacy online and there never will be. Windows tracks you, Google tracks you, the web browser tracks you, spyware, malware track you. Even your LG TV tracks you.

If you don't consent to uploading your system specs, then you don't review.

Whether you choose to post your system specs or not, there are plenty of DRM Databases that already store that data and will one day become the property of a hacker.
Adobe was just recently hacked.
Автор останньої редакції: Bad_Conduct; 30 листоп. 2013 о 11:35
Since you seem to react badly about privacy issues, let me concentrate my criticism on the main flaw of your suggestion :
Цитата допису Bad_Conduct:
If you don't consent to uploading your system specs, then you don't review.
This requirement isn't accurate enough to justify its implementation.

I can understand if the review was to talk about running problems.
I can't understand why this should be put there if the review consists of something along the line of "I liked this game" or "I didn't like the story, this character was too flat", or even "this is too hard !", or "This game has bad controls".
Plenty of cases where specs don't matter (and I don't try to get them all), and yet, you require them.

From what I read, a single review "category" (can't run the game) become grounds to impact all other reviews into a requirement which doesn't make sense for them (specs determines how well your game will run, if it runs at all, and nothing else).
Цитата допису Fox:
Since you seem to react badly about privacy issues, let me concentrate my criticism on the main flaw of your suggestion :
Цитата допису Bad_Conduct:
If you don't consent to uploading your system specs, then you don't review.
This requirement isn't accurate enough to justify its implementation.

I can understand if the review was to talk about running problems.
I can't understand why this should be put there if the review consists of something along the line of "I liked this game" or "I didn't like the story, this character was too flat", or even "this is too hard !", or "This game has bad controls".
Plenty of cases where specs don't matter (and I don't try to get them all), and yet, you require them.

From what I read, a single review "category" (can't run the game) become grounds to impact all other reviews into a requirement which doesn't make sense for them (specs determines how well your game will run, if it runs at all, and nothing else).


No review website reviews a PC game without listing the specs of their system.
This is universal.

You cannot judge a games performance without listing your hardware. You cannot complain about bugs without listing your systems hardware.

I also don't see any issue with listing your system specs on your profile and your operating system, considering many people already do, Steam keeps track of this already and it's not really a privacy concern. The only real information you can gather would be social-economic status.
Автор останньої редакції: Bad_Conduct; 30 листоп. 2013 о 13:36
Цитата допису Bad_Conduct:
No review website reviews a PC game without listing the specs of their system.
This is universal.

You cannot judge a games performance without listing your hardware. You cannot complain about bugs without listing your systems hardware.
I told in my previous post about story, gameplay, control and genre review, which don't require specs whatsoever to judge.
About bugs, most of them are in the source code and therefore system-independant : a badly implemented check will fail, no matter the hardware.
About users not reviewing like a pro, it plays on the gamer's impulse to advertize (whether good or bad) the game, rather than a long, throughout review, hence the limited character limit.

You might want to address these concerns at once instead of simply dismiss them, like my first point about reviews which don't require specs. This may badly taint your suggestion.
I like this idea, but think it would better be implemented as a profile option. You can choose to scan your system and save the specs as a part of your profile. Then when writing a review you can attach the specs to it. That way you can write the review from a different computer.
Цитата допису Case:
Waste of time.

If someone wants to post about "poor performance" despite the fact they're running on a laptop designed by diplodoci, that's their prerogative, it is an accurate representation of their experience and shows the game has not been well optimised for the minimal system reqs for instance.

Besides, it's not really different since so many so-called reviews (even when they were called 'recommendations' were typically:

"♥♥♥♥ game! ♥♥♥♥ STEAM!"

I'm not kidding - I've seen that.

So it's hardly going to make much differenceAny user willing to give xconsent and bother to upload and identify theiur system specs etc. might as well just take the time & be responsible enough to click on "System Info" and make a note of the specs themselves.
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Yah, but a laptop doesn't meet minimum requirements. And if he gets poor performance on an i7 used in a Laptop, someone else thinks it's a desktop.

Hardware makes a huge difference.
Цитата допису KoreRat:
I like this idea, but think it would better be implemented as a profile option. You can choose to scan your system and save the specs as a part of your profile. Then when writing a review you can attach the specs to it. That way you can write the review from a different computer.

Agreed. Or just attached as part of your profile, so I can click on your name and see what your system is. It's not just for reviews, it's fun to post your own system specs and see what your friends on running.
Цитата допису Bad_Conduct:
Just FYI
Data is already collected.
http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey
Steam conducts a monthly survey to collect data about what kinds of computer hardware and software our customers are using. Participation in the survey is optional, and anonymous. The information gathered is incredibly helpful to us as we make decisions about what kinds of technology investments to make and products to offer.
Well after all its anonymous by what it says there... so i think you can take it easy

And how @Bad Conduct were did you find it?
Цитата допису Black Blade:
Цитата допису Bad_Conduct:
Just FYI
Data is already collected.
http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey
Steam conducts a monthly survey to collect data about what kinds of computer hardware and software our customers are using. Participation in the survey is optional, and anonymous. The information gathered is incredibly helpful to us as we make decisions about what kinds of technology investments to make and products to offer.
Well after all its anonymous by what it says there... so i think you can take it easy

And how @Bad Conduct were did you find it?

Googled it.

I'm not really concerned at all. I think it's a good idea. It would be nice to see specs posted, and 3d Mark scores intigrated as well.
I don't think system specs are necessary for performance reviews or any review for that matter.

Here is why:

When you look at a product online, let's say it is a pricey product on Amazon. You don't look at one bad review posted on Amazon and then make your decision to buy that product based entirely on that review. You look at a cross section of the reviews. You google external resources for reviews on the product and make an informed descision based on various sources of information.

Similarily when you buy games on steam, if you want to make an informed choice, you look at IGN or metacritic or paragon or whatever you prefer before you make your choice to buy.

If you aren't doing that, then you are doing it wrong or you have too much money.

This has been a long touted feature in Xfire. Nice to have your system specs listed in your profile. It's a beautiful thing.
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