[Suggestion] Seperate RPGs and MMORPGs

[txh0881]

As a person who loves RPGs and single player games, I find it frustrating when I load up the store page for RPGs, and find most of the entries to be MMOs.

MMORPGs play fundamentally differently from regular RPGs. MMOs are exclusively multi-player, and are hosted on a server, while standard RPGs are either single player, or limited multiplayer. Having them in the same category just because MMORPG ends with RPG does not make sense.

I would like to suggest that MMOs of all types, including MMORPGs and MMOFPSs (first person shooters), along with any other MMO genres that I don't know about, get their own section, and standard RPGs have their own section.

[Gus the Crocodile]

I get what you want: a way to get just non-MMO RPGs. But separation isn't the best solution; fragmenting things like that ends up being worse for everyone. For example, as well as MMO and non-MMO games, you bring up singleplayer and multiplayer games. So surely it makes as much sense to have separate categories for:
-MMORPGs
-singleplayer non-MMO RPGS
-multiplayer non-MMO RPGS
Then we can split each of those up into I don't know, fantasy themed or not, party-based or not, turn-based or not, narrative-driven or not, all separate from each other. You get the point. Fragmentation works out great when it's based on exactly the things you're interested in at the time, but the system is there to cater to everyone, and fragmenting based on everyone's interests is bad news for navigation.

What we need is for Valve to get around to properly implementing exclusions in tag searching. That way, you can just search for "everything tagged RPG but not tagged Massively Multiplayer". The tag system should be making this stuff a whole lot easier: this kind of thing is precisely the strength of tags, so it's a shame we don't have it yet.

Well, not well done anyway. For the moment it might help to know you can run searches like "rpg -mmo". I'd like an actual interface for it along with the rest of their "narrow by..." stuff so you don't have to guess at tag names and guess what to do about multi-word tags etc.

[Ananoriel]

I think that the suggestion with the seperated tags from Gus the Crocodile would be working better than making many categories.

[txh0881]

He was using an Ad Absurdum argument to shoot down my idea. One extra category for MMOs is not the same as making a different category for every single subcategory of every single category. He was not really suggesting making tons of categories. Neither was I.

I still don't think that MMOs belong in the RPG section because they play fundamentally differently from RPGs.

[Black Blade]

Originally posted by txh0881:

He was using an Ad Absurdum argument to shoot down my idea. One extra category for MMOs is not the same as making a different category for every single subcategory of every single category. He was not really suggesting making tons of categories. Neither was I.

I still don't think that MMOs belong in the RPG section because they play fundamentally differently from RPGs.

Even that is true, that is more abut game play, it has all the elements of RPG any how
So i do not so much agree that it dose not need to be part of it, but i do agree that there need to be a way to filter out MMO's, and on that note, if you mark Single Player dose that not work for that in the search?
As MMO in most cases will not be also Single Player

[Gus the Crocodile]

Originally posted by txh0881:

He was using an Ad Absurdum argument to shoot down my idea. One extra category for MMOs is not the same as making a different category for every single subcategory of every single category. He was not really suggesting making tons of categories. Neither was I.

I still don't think that MMOs belong in the RPG section because they play fundamentally differently from RPGs.

ARMA plays fundamentally differently to Serious Sam, but they're both tagged FPS because...they're both FPSs. Torchlight plays fundamentally differently to Fallout 2, but they're both still tagged RPG, because they're both RPGs. Quite different games sharing the same genres is normal.

MMORPGs are - as the name tells you - a kind of RPG. There absolutely should be a way to exclude them from your searches, I completely agree, but they also absolutely do belong in the RPG section.

[txh0881]

Originally posted by Black Blade (Card Rain):

if you mark Single Player dose that not work for that in the search?
As MMO in most cases will not be also Single Player

I have come across MMOs before that also have token single player modes. And some that were poorly tagged.

[Romek]

its not only RPG related

just add tag "SinglePlayer ONLY" and you could use the filter to find everything you want