Trading undo

[McK]

Implementing a system into your trade history could eliminate any type of scamming.
My idea is to create a option next-to old trades with which you can undo the trade, they will get there things back, and i will get mine. If you are conflicted in trade scamming, not Hijacking, you can undo the trade and report the person scamming. By doing this , all the people originally in the trade will get there items back. If an item was bought, the person will receive the money they paid in return. I have been the Victim of many trading scams, and this will make the community more secure. If Steam could make this happen, it could be a massive revolution in fighting scammers. BY stopping this from being over powered, you will get a limited amount of things you may undo, like 5 or 10 things a month. All of the trades can be backed in the trade history. Locating the button to undo the trades in the history, will make it nice and easy for people to get there items back, and not just watch how someone is using there item.

I don't think that this is a possible thing to to with Games, but i'm sure that we can make this happen with trades. :D Support this post to get some Steam employees attention.

Thank you

[Spawn of Totoro]

Has been suggested before.

Would be abused and used to troll, causing far more issue then it would resolve.

[McK]

Im not sure about that , can you specify how people would troll?

[HLCinSC]

99% of scamming occurs due to people trading outside of Steam's official trading system and policies.

[McK]

That is very true, but tring to eliminate that what happens in Steams official trading can be solidified. Maybe if it would be more secure people would use it more.

[Spawn of Totoro]

Originally posted by Zyenex:

Im not sure about that , can you specify how people would troll?

Make a trade, then undo it. Even with a limit of 5 a month, people would do it just to make others mad.

Someone makes a honest trade, the other person regrets it as he found another willing to trade for less. Reverse trade and retrade, trading less for the same item. The first traded has now lost the items he traded for, in good faith.

By allowing the reversal of trades, you kill any trust in the trade system. The items are no longer yours after the trade.

Originally posted by HLCinSC:

99% of scamming occurs due to people trading outside of Steam's official trading system and policies.

This as well. A system that allows the reversal fo a trade can increase scamming too, especialy if we take these kinds of trades into account.

Make trade, paying the other through Paypal.

Other user reverses the trade after getting the money from Paypal.

Makes it easier for them to scam for real money instead of only scamming for virtual items.

[McK]

I think that it is possible to do, it just has to be worked on to make it fair. Steam has made some great updates. I think all we need are people to support the idea, otherwise it will never break through.

[HLCinSC]

Originally posted by Zyenex:

That is very true, but tring to eliminate that what happens in Steams official trading can be solidified. Maybe if it would be more secure people would use it more.

Ok well her is a scenario. You trade me item X for item Y. The same day I put item x on the market and sell it. Then I use that money to buy other items and a game and then the guy I sold the item to through the market trades it away.Then you decide you want item Y back at the end of that day. What happens to all those people and their transactions involving the traded items.

[McK]

Originally posted by HLCinSC:

Originally posted by Zyenex:

That is very true, but tring to eliminate that what happens in Steams official trading can be solidified. Maybe if it would be more secure people would use it more.

Ok well her is a scenario. You trade me item X for item Y. The same day I put item x on the market and sell it. Then I use that money to buy other items and a game and then the guy I sold the item to through the market trades it away.Then you decide you want item Y back at the end of that day. What happens to all those people and their transactions involving the traded items.

The people geth there money back who bought and can buy another one, it would only be fair if the people who have been conflicted in a scam froma certain amout of money may bereverted. Lets say person X buys a item for 58 dollars, he then wants to trade to person Y for an item of similar value. Y tricks him and X loses his item. X can then revert the trade to a certain point .

Maybe it would be possible to choose to what point you want to revert it to.

[Spawn of Totoro]

Originally posted by Zyenex:

The people geth there money back who bought and can buy another one, it would only be fair if the people who have been conflicted in a scam froma certain amout of money may bereverted. Lets say person X buys a item for 58 dollars, he then wants to trade to person Y for an item of similar value. Y tricks him and X loses his item. X can then revert the trade to a certain point .

Maybe it would be possible to choose to what point you want to revert it to.

That would cause too many issue with many other traders.

0 trades x item, to 1, who trades it to 2, who then trades it to 3. 0 reverses the trade as he found a better deal with 8. 1,2,3 suddenly have all their honest traded reversed.

How mad would you be if you were 1,2 or 3 and suddenly you lost the item you really wanted and had traded for?

Who would trust the trading system if the trade can be reversed for any reason at any time? I could see support tickets skyrocketing with "Where did my item go?", trade reversers being black-listed on rep sites as well as reports of scammers increasing.

Trades are final for a good reason. It promotes trust in proper trades with no fear that the other will suddenly change their mind, leaving you mad and frustrated in the process and is the least likely way to be used to scam or be abused.

[McK]

im not sure if that would be the case in any scenario, Losing an item completly is worse than gatting your item back with what you traded it for. And for the scammers, if they trade nothing and get your item, and you revert the trade, then they had what they had before. Nothing. People would not be confused about it if you were not infored by every update, steam should let you kniw exactly what has been changed and how to use it. Other sites have a similar thing, but i think Valve can do it better. All of my friends that are not on steam, say they won't join because they are to scared of scammers, just by changing this more people would join, and not the scammers would become more, but the people against them, making sure they don't do it.

Speculating about how it may occur is useless, if people could just be reasonable. Being scammed is not nice, being able to fairly get back what was taken away is what makes people happy, not losing something they worked for.

It would be like returning something at a shop, but in trade. It dosent have to be to complicated , and it dosent have to track too far back, if its just one trade than its fine.

[Spawn of Totoro]

Originally posted by Zyenex:

im not sure if that would be the case in any scenario, Losing an item completly is worse than gatting your item back with what you traded it for. And for the scammers, if they trade nothing and get your item, and you revert the trade, then they had what they had before. Nothing. People would not be confused about it if you were not infored by every update, steam should let you kniw exactly what has been changed and how to use it. Other sites have a similar thing, but i think Valve can do it better. All of my friends that are not on steam, say they won't join because they are to scared of scammers, just by changing this more people would join, and not the scammers would become more, but the people against them, making sure they don't do it.

Speculating about how it may occur is useless, if people could just be reasonable. Being scammed is not nice, being able to fairly get back what was taken away is what makes people happy, not losing something they worked for.

It would be like returning something at a shop, but in trade. It dosent have to be to complicated , and it dosent have to track too far back, if its just one trade than its fine.

It wouldn't be done fairly though. It would be abused.

A fair trade is all item in the trade window you agreed to trade and receive. There is no need for a reverse system if a trade is done properly.

A shop has the right to refuse a return for any reason. You are not even offering that. You are forcing the return.

This isn't even like a shop though. It is more like a flee-market. There are not "trade backs" in the flee-market. After you made the trade, you each own what you traded for. You want to take that ownership away and it would destroy Steam trading with it.

Scams happen out-side the trade system as it is. As I said, what you are suggesting will open up doors for scammers.

Add this would decrease trades and increase use of the market, not increase trading.

[HLCinSC]

Originally posted by Zyenex:

im not sure if that would be the case in any scenario, Losing an item completly is worse than gatting your item back with what you traded it for. And for the scammers, if they trade nothing and get your item, and you revert the trade, then they had what they had before. Nothing.

If you trade for nothing there is an additional pop up where you have to confirm the trade and that you will receive absolutely nothing in return. It can't get much clearer than that.

Originally posted by Zyenex:

Speculating about how it may occur is useless, if people could just be reasonable. Being scammed is not nice, being able to fairly get back what was taken away is what makes people happy, not losing something they worked for.

Speculation is very important if you are going to make changes that will affect millions of users and milions worth of goods. There will always be unreasonable people (especially on the internet) whether they may be scammers, hackers, thieves, cheaters, etc..

Originally posted by Zyenex:

It would be like returning something at a shop, but in trade. It dosent have to be to complicated , and it dosent have to track too far back, if its just one trade than its fine.

No what it is more like is a flea market. Guy X trades you a tv that you don't end up liking for all your old xbox games.You bring it back the tv wanting what you traded back. The guy says fine but he has traded or given away all your old xbox games. He then has to go and take those games back from those people against their will.

[McK]

ok i see, but maybe they can make a system were you can revert it , when you recieved nothing