Can we please have a "second coming" tab/page for old games?

[himmatsj]

All these old games from the 90's and early 2000's are polluting Steam, and it is not funny. This situation is clearly gonna persist for another few months as publishers get their back-catalog out of the way.

Thing is, these older games are flooding Steam like nobody's business. Why can't Valve just create a separate "Second Coming"/"Re-releases" tab on the frontpage, or a separate page altogether as they have done for Early Access games?

I have seen numerous instances of legitimate new games getting bumped down the order unfairly. In one case last week, I saw Secrets of Raetikon get bumped down to the second page a mere SEVEN MINUTES after it was listed on the frontpage. It ended the day on 18th place after all the old kid games got republished.

And another thing, these games should explicitly state their original release dates, not something like 20th April 2014 when it was out way back in 1998.

So yeah, this is a genuine and honest suggestion. I hope Steam listens to the fanbase cause this is really making looking at the new games section a dreadful experience. Make no mistake that in no way I am saying the old games do not deserve to be on Steam, just that they do not deserve to be put on the same pedestal as genuinely new games.

[WhiteKnight77]

Another one of these threads?

[himmatsj]

Publicado originalmente por WhiteKnight77:

Another one of these threads?

What do you mean? If people have been voicing out similar grouses, it is about time Steam listened to the community. I don't think what people want is unreasonable. Heck, even indie devs seem to be peeved with the influx of old games that are destroying their launch day sales numbers.

[SinisterEvil]

they are flooding the steam market. Old indie games or new indie games. not everyone likes indie games or 2d games or games that look like old games or kids games!

[Black Blade]

Publicado originalmente por himmatsj:

What do you mean? If people have been voicing out similar grouses, it is about time Steam listened to the community. I don't think what people want is unreasonable. Heck, even indie devs seem to be peeved with the influx of old games that are destroying their launch day sales numbers.

Well look many times someone replay to all these on a tread.. and then someone come and open more post like these... in the end its not will discussing any thing its just simply the same discussions over and over

Now abut the post first of all saying "polluting Steam" is not a little harsh?
Second of all i can understand the annoys you may get form it, but in the end its just as you got stuck on the time that it happen...

I think why its happening now is that so far to put a game on Steam the Dev had to talk to Valve and talk abut it and all... when now they can do it them self something that boost up the speed they can do it.. and when there done and all these games will be on Steam will stop seeing it taking out the New Releases

All you need is to wait for it to end.. and its not going to take that long...
As much as i maybe can understand the idea i need to ask these..

A game that was released lets say a week ago, then the Dev want to put it on Steam dose he need to go to these "second coming" tab? or is he a new release?
In the end what you say is not really any filter.. as what dose go there? any thing before Steam? things after 2010? things 4 years old? and what will happen in 10 years when games like Assassin Creed: Black Flag (first name that come to mind but basicly any big new title) will be a the 2010's game?

[himmatsj]

Publicado originalmente por Black Blade:

Publicado originalmente por himmatsj:

What do you mean? If people have been voicing out similar grouses, it is about time Steam listened to the community. I don't think what people want is unreasonable. Heck, even indie devs seem to be peeved with the influx of old games that are destroying their launch day sales numbers.

Well look many times someone replay to all these on a tread.. and then someone come and open more post like these... in the end its not will discussing any thing its just simply the same discussions over and over

Now abut the post first of all saying "polluting Steam" is not a little harsh?
Second of all i can understand the annoys you may get form it, but in the end its just as you got stuck on the time that it happen...

I think why its happening now is that so far to put a game on Steam the Dev had to talk to Valve and talk abut it and all... when now they can do it them self something that boost up the speed they can do it.. and when there done and all these games will be on Steam will stop seeing it taking out the New Releases

All you need is to wait for it to end.. and its not going to take that long...
As much as i maybe can understand the idea i need to ask these..

A game that was released lets say a week ago, then the Dev want to put it on Steam dose he need to go to these "second coming" tab? or is he a new release?
In the end what you say is not really any filter.. as what dose go there? any thing before Steam? things after 2010? things 4 years old? and what will happen in 10 years when games like Assassin Creed: Black Flag (first name that come to mind but basicly any big new title) will be a the 2010's game?

Wait for it to end? Only people with no locus standi will do that. I am a man of principle and conviction. I am not gonna do that. Besides, it is going to take a good few months to clear out a majority of the junk backlog. Big Fish, Alawar, Microids and a few more publishers have among themselves a hundred more HOGs that are not yet on Steam and they will be here in due time. Then there are those by Strategy First, Square Enix, KISS and tons of others.

The definition is simple to achieve. As long as a game was out on PC before, it goes to second coming. Exceptions can be made for indies if they were released elsewhere in a complete form within the last one or two years (usually these are smaller indie games that are published on Desura). Otherwise, all these old "classics" get booted to the second coming.

[Chewy]

I agree with this fully and many others agree I am sure. I actually mentioned a seperate store tab for these indie/old games on a different forum. Yes another one of these threads and their will probably be more.

[Black Blade]

Publicado originalmente por himmatsj:

The definition is simple to achieve. As long as a game was out on PC before, it goes to second coming. Exceptions can be made for indies if they were released elsewhere in a complete form within the last one or two years (usually these are smaller indie games that are published on Desura). Otherwise, all these old "classics" get booted to the second coming.

Define "old "classics"" the point is coming back or not are you saying old games are less good then new games? or something? if they were good in the past dose it make them any less good today?

I my self do not believe that any art can really become old, if its music, Painting, Sculpting, Games, Music.
We may see these not the same but i think its like that... as i will not call a old game trash just as it may not have more then 8-Bit music and Pixels, or even text... if it was good in the past making better things dose not make it any less good.

but what i understand you say that anything released somewhere then come to Steam becomes a "second coming"? if so dose that no mean that if lets say Tittanfall gets on Steam it needs to go there?
If you saying any old Bad game needs to go there.. so well you are saying that Valve need to then decide what is a bad game and what is good...

If do you see my point? there is no real way i think to just say "these is an old game" "these is new"
I know guys that call a game from as much as 1 year really old game.. even more some even call a game that was released half a year ago old, in music i know someone that will say "I do not listen to old music" when asked what is old music for him he sayed something like music from 2 mouths ago...

So how can you decide what is old? and is a second release and all?
(do not take these any way harsh please i am some what limited with my english and seem that for many it makes my posts look harsh in a way)

[Toni]

Couldn't agree more with you. I hate the fact that some devs just dump all their old games on steam and complety polute the front page and steal the attention that newer releases should get from it.

[Boomboombam]

Publicado originalmente por Black Blade:

Publicado originalmente por himmatsj:

So how can you decide what is old? and is a second release and all?
(do not take these any way harsh :D: please i am some what limited with my english and seem that for many it makes my posts look harsh in a way)

It's extremely simple actually...new releases should be games that have just been finished and are being released for the first time to the public. Games from the 1990s and early 2000s are being thrown on steam and pushing games that are brand new off the front page. Whether these games are from big companies or indies, they deserve to be recognized as new releases. Let's look at today, April 25th, Trials Fusion, a relatively well-known series, is already off the front page because of games like Vangers, released in 1998 are taking up that space. It is basically a fact that almost no one will purchase these games, yet they take away attention from brand new games that people might miss.

[himmatsj]

Publicado originalmente por Black Blade:

Publicado originalmente por himmatsj:

The definition is simple to achieve. As long as a game was out on PC before, it goes to second coming. Exceptions can be made for indies if they were released elsewhere in a complete form within the last one or two years (usually these are smaller indie games that are published on Desura). Otherwise, all these old "classics" get booted to the second coming.

Define "old "classics"" the point is coming back or not are you saying old games are less good then new games? or something? if they were good in the past dose it make them any less good today?

I my self do not believe that any art can really become old, if its music, Painting, Sculpting, Games, Music.
We may see these not the same but i think its like that... as i will not call a old game trash just as it may not have more then 8-Bit music and Pixels, or even text... if it was good in the past making better things dose not make it any less good.

but what i understand you say that anything released somewhere then come to Steam becomes a "second coming"? if so dose that no mean that if lets say Tittanfall gets on Steam it needs to go there?
If you saying any old Bad game needs to go there.. so well you are saying that Valve need to then decide what is a bad game and what is good...

If do you see my point? there is no real way i think to just say "these is an old game" "these is new"
I know guys that call a game from as much as 1 year really old game.. even more some even call a game that was released half a year ago old, in music i know someone that will say "I do not listen to old music" when asked what is old music for him he sayed something like music from 2 mouths ago...

So how can you decide what is old? and is a second release and all?
(do not take these any way harsh :D: please i am some what limited with my english and seem that for many it makes my posts look harsh in a way)

Simply put, it can be looked at a case by case basis, especially for games out within the past 2 years.

Or like this:

Past 6 months - OK, can be considered a new game
Between 6 mths to 2 yrs - Case by case basis (and only applicable to small indie games)

Thing is, anything older than 2 years old should immediately be put on the back burner. Yes, there can be a gray area for games released in recent times (defined as past two years), but anything older than that shouldn't be on the frontpage.

PS: Thing is, not many games launch somewhere else on PC then come on Steam within 2 years. If yes, it is a rare occurrence. What we are talking about here is ancient games from the 1990's and 2000's. And no, no AAA game tied to another client will suddenly pop up on Steam magically after a few months.

[Black Blade]

Publicado originalmente por himmatsj:

Simply put, it can be looked at a case by case basis, especially for games out within the past 2 years.

Or like this:

Past 6 months - OK, can be considered a new game
Between 6 mths to 2 yrs - Case by case basis (and only applicable to small indie games)

Thing is, anything older than 2 years old should immediately be put on the back burner. Yes, there can be a gray area for games released in recent times (defined as past two years), but anything older than that shouldn't be on the frontpage.

PS: Thing is, not many games launch somewhere else on PC then come on Steam within 2 years. If yes, it is a rare occurrence. What we are talking about here is ancient games from the 1990's and 2000's. And no, no AAA game tied to another client will suddenly pop up on Steam magically after a few months.

Ok so you want someone from Valve to pass every game some Dev release in the past 2 years that come to Steam?
Also why AAA titles are not treated as Inide? i think that is some what the point that Valve did do with Steam.. AAA titles get as much as indie get and same the other way

Now i need to ask how can you decide these things are old? why not 3-4-5-6 years?
I do not think a game needs to have a time limit...

Maybe i can even suggest something maybe we need to let the Dev decide? as in let them mark there games as "re-released" and not a as a new game?
Then give them there own window on the front page for that...

As much as it may sound odd i want to know what game are new on Steam.. not new as new to the world just Steam.. as for my self i had found out sometime that some games i really like and have on CD are also released on Steam, and i will buy them again.. as much as the time pass i think il enjoy playing with them again (for me its Loom {1990}, Beyond Good and Evil {2003}) i did not know these games were on Steam, and find out completely by mistake... so for one like me i do like to know what games from my past got to Steam

[himmatsj]

Publicado originalmente por Black Blade:

Publicado originalmente por himmatsj:

Simply put, it can be looked at a case by case basis, especially for games out within the past 2 years.

Or like this:

Past 6 months - OK, can be considered a new game
Between 6 mths to 2 yrs - Case by case basis (and only applicable to small indie games)

Thing is, anything older than 2 years old should immediately be put on the back burner. Yes, there can be a gray area for games released in recent times (defined as past two years), but anything older than that shouldn't be on the frontpage.

PS: Thing is, not many games launch somewhere else on PC then come on Steam within 2 years. If yes, it is a rare occurrence. What we are talking about here is ancient games from the 1990's and 2000's. And no, no AAA game tied to another client will suddenly pop up on Steam magically after a few months.

Ok so you want someone from Valve to pass every game some Dev release in the past 2 years that come to Steam?
Also why AAA titles are not treated as Inide? i think that is some what the point that Valve did do with Steam.. AAA titles get as much as indie get and same the other way

Now i need to ask how can you decide these things are old? why not 3-4-5-6 years?
I do not think a game needs to have a time limit...

Maybe i can even suggest something maybe we need to let the Dev decide? as in let them mark there games as "re-released" and not a as a new game?
Then give them there own window on the front page for that...

As much as it may sound odd i want to know what game are new on Steam.. not new as new to the world just Steam.. as for my self i had found out sometime that some games i really like and have on CD are also released on Steam, and i will buy them again.. as much as the time pass i think il enjoy playing with them again (for me its Loom {1990}, Beyond Good and Evil {2003}) i did not know these games were on Steam, and find out completely by mistake... so for one like me i do like to know what games from my past got to Steam

It's a gray area and I don't want to crack my head over it. Besides, how many games within the last 2 years released on PC are coming to Steam? Like I already said, this is VERY RARE.

Simple solution is, frontpage only if it is a day one Steam release for the PC platform. Everything else goes to second coming.

[Black Blade]

Publicado originalmente por Boomboombam:

It's extremely simple actually...new releases should be games that have just been finished and are being released for the first time to the public. Games from the 1990s and early 2000s are being thrown on steam and pushing games that are brand new off the front page. Whether these games are from big companies or indies, they deserve to be recognized as new releases. Let's look at today, April 25th, Trials Fusion, a relatively well-known series, is already off the front page because of games like Vangers, released in 1998 are taking up that space. It is basically a fact that almost no one will purchase these games, yet they take away attention from brand new games that people might miss.

What we need to remember is what ever will be decide here and if its accepted will not only effect the here and now.. but also what ever will happen in 100-200 years (if Steam will be here)

[Black Blade]

Publicado originalmente por himmatsj:

It's a gray area and I don't want to crack my head over it. Besides, how many games within the last 2 years released on PC are coming to Steam? Like I already said, this is VERY RARE.

Simple solution is, frontpage only if it is a day one Steam release for the PC platform. Everything else goes to second coming.

Well seeing that GFWL and GameSpy are going down i think there is a chance to see some more coming

Also like i sayed on post 13# (added after you post) i think we need to see these as something for a long term... not just the here and now... what will happen in 10 years... what then will happen with games of today re-released on Steam

[WhiteKnight77]

As someone posted in one of the other threads about this, instead of a filter, restrict the number of releases per developer/publisher per day or even better, week.

Personally, I rather play older games than newer ones. Older games at least didn't hand hold gamers or use a vast array of cut scenes to move the game along. Older games also have features that have not been used since and were very innovative compared to what we see today with regurgitated code that hasn't changed in 12 years.