Early Access...

[Josh]

Is there going to be mainstream games back on steam ever again?

I'm kind of tired of clicking store and just seeing a bunch of games with mountains of fans screaming that it's okay to release half assed content full of bugs. You wouldn't sell a pair of pants without a zipper, and get away with it by claiming they where in Alpha... Kind of tired of game companies doing it, and frankly I'm kind of tired of Steam encouraging it. It could have been great, but it has literally turned into a mountain of games that will forever be in early release with nothing but small patches every month that will never pull the game out of Alpha.

Gee Gee, I rarely click on the store section of steam anymore.

</3 Bad indie developers are bad. Quit helping them Steam, maybe play test the games yourselves and interview the company to ensure they actually have not only the intent, but capability of completing their idea.

Now I shall be flamed by the indie hipster gamers. "Oh em gee the games are so gewd, and we have to support them because EA and Activision suck hardcore!"

Honestly... A lot of these "DEVS" as they are so passionately called are just chicks and dudes that got removed from those companies because they where to incompetant. Look them up, a lot of them were fired for incompetencies.

I'm out.

[Pewpewmoar]

I'm personally sick and tired of clicking on the forums and seeing 2 extra 'zomg early access' threads every hour.

As has been stated ad infinitum, this is a slow time of year for big game launches, exacerbated by the launch of 2 major consoles just before Xmas. There's no big game releases that have been bumped as a result of indie games and early access releases, there just haven't been very many major launches in the last few months.

Personally, I would rather have lots of games i don't care about being launched, than no games being launched. It leads to choice, and that can only be a good thing.

[TirithRR]

There are 158 Early Access games on Steam.
There are 2834 game entries in Steam's Search.

There are more ♥♥♥♥♥♥ non Early Access games on Steam than there are Early Access games total.

[HeLivesByTheEwoks]

Publicado originalmente por TirithRR:

There are 158 Early Access games on Steam.
There are 2834 game entries in Steam's Search.

There are more ♥♥♥♥♥♥ non Early Access games on Steam than there are Early Access games total.

You have a wrong relation. Early Access is a new trend. You cant compare it in this way you do.

Early Access Games get more and more, thats true. In my mind i have always the thing in my head that only multiplayer games are early access. But every game can be Early Access.

The community is horrible, they always say to others to shut up its early access. Noone can say his opinion or critic to a game that has Early Access without someone who shows his finger to the Early Access sign.

But when not now, when is the point to say something. Furthermore is Early Access something where the community can lead the developers to a better understanding what the players want. And this is a big difference to normal game publishing.

The community of Early Access games is really horrible.

[Jade]

Removing early access won't make more "mainstream" games magically appear.

There is no positive to removing early access. You are only restricting access to more games.

[Spec]

+1 to the OP

I don't buy any of those games, i won't willing accept to be a beta/alpha tester and not get paid.

It's a bad business practice and i won't support it, it only promotes shovelware spam.

[Stevenson Family]

Publicado originalmente por HeLivesByTheEwoks:

The community is horrible, they always say to others to shut up its early access. Noone can say his opinion or critic to a game that has Early Access without someone who shows his finger to the Early Access sign.

Thats because a lot of "critiques" aimed at early access games are stupid. People actually complain that EA games have bugs, or that the game has changed. You don't get to complain about stuff like that.

Is there going to be mainstream games back on steam ever again?

Put the crack pipe down. The reason there hasn't been much in the way of AAA tittles is because they arn't being released. Just what do you think steam is?

[HeLivesByTheEwoks]

Publicado originalmente por Gareth:

Publicado originalmente por HeLivesByTheEwoks:

The community is horrible, they always say to others to shut up its early access. Noone can say his opinion or critic to a game that has Early Access without someone who shows his finger to the Early Access sign.

Thats because a lot of "critiques" aimed at early access games are stupid. People actually complain that EA games have bugs, or that the game has changed. You don't get to complain about stuff like that.

Is there going to be mainstream games back on steam ever again?

Put the crack pipe down. The reason there hasn't been much in the way of AAA tittles is because they arn't being released. Just what do you think steam is?

Dont missunderstand me, i like Early Access Games for many reasons. But i dont like the Community around Early Access Games.

[Stevenson Family]

Publicado originalmente por HeLivesByTheEwoks:

Dont missunderstand me, i like Early Access Games for many reasons. But i dont like the Community around Early Access Games.

I was accused of being a troll on the 7 days to die forum because right off the bat I had issues the zombie spawning system. I thought infinite spawninig zombies that automatically knew where you were was a cheap ass mechanic.

On one hand I thought it was a valid complaint about a core gameplay mechanic, on the other hand it has been changed since then.

I think most game communities react with rage and butthurt to complaints aimed at their beloved game, it's not something thats limited to EA.

[Black Blade]

Publicado originalmente por Gareth:

Thats because a lot of "critiques" aimed at early access games are stupid. People actually complain that EA games have bugs, or that the game has changed. You don't get to complain about stuff like that.

I do not really agree with that.. i think EAG can be complain abut bugs.. if.. its something that stay like that for a long time and is a large part of the game, but only if you are ready to take the time when its fix to change the review.. as in the end even if the EAG is a EAG that needs to have bugs the reviews are there to show guys that think abut getting the game now if its worth or not

And when it will be fix i think that Valve needs to do that part of adding something to show on what part these review was made.. so it may not be reverent or soemthing

Publicado originalmente por HeLivesByTheEwoks:

You have a wrong relation. Early Access is a new trend. You cant compare it in this way you do.

On a defrent tread on these subject i look up how many Early Access games vs how many finish games were release on Steam from the time EAG come on Steam
Yet there are more Finnish games released then EAGs (if you want i can try to find that tread..)

[Marbaus]

It seems like Steam is turning into this 'underground' gaming movement rather than a mainstream gaming platform. This opinion is because of all of the 'indie' and EAGs taking front stage as of late.

I am not saying it's good or bad, it's just an obsurvation. It changes the structure of the community.

There will always be people backing one thing or another. The idea is to allow these groups not to get too lost in one or the other without isolating each group at the same time.

Perhaps a 'Featured EAG' -up and coming-, Featured 'Indie', and Featured 'Mainstream' all on the Store page could allow people to choose their shopping preferences and allow them to 'see' what is going on with the other groups without isolating them or forcing people to click past them. (it seems to be ticking a lot of people off, which is not good when you want them to spend money)

It's an idea good or bad. I want every group, devs and gamers, to have their options and 'passive' display without anyone group taking center stage.

[Black Blade]

Sorry but from when is Indie not main Stream?
I mean some Indie games may be:
Minecraft.. and you want to tell me that is not mainstream?

[Richard Jokes]

Only one way to speak your mind. STOP BUYING AND OR SUPPORTING EAG. Made suggestions for making a work around of this and my posts got deleted. So much for creative thinking.

[Black Blade]

Publicado originalmente por NOAH BIBLE COMMANDO:

Only one way to speak your mind. STOP BUYING AND OR SUPPORTING EAG. Made suggestions for making a work around of this and my posts got deleted. So much for creative thinking.

Well it was suggested many times before (yes the same idea)

[Scutterman]

Valve was distributing games before there "mainstream games" became a thing. Steam has always been a distributor, not a gatekeeper. The challenge they face at the moment is how to show off the very best games without becomming a gatekeeper or a curator. That is going to take them a while to get right.

[Satoru]

Publicado originalmente por blargety:

Honestly... A lot of these "DEVS" as they are so passionately called are just chicks and dudes that got removed from those companies because they where to incompetant. Look them up, a lot of them were fired for incompetencies.

That is 100% utter tripe and an insult to those devs working hard on games everywhere.

Just because you don't liek something doesn't mean you get to make up lies to support your position.