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OPT-OUT Option for controllers and consoles !
I want a Opt-out option so i can make sure that im not up against someone using a controller or playing on a consol like e.g. Xbox, Playstation or Nintendo !

Why i want that is because thous consoles got buildin aim assists and aimbot in their systems to make it easyer for their user to hit their targets in game genres like e.g. First person shooters !

And "opt-out consols & controllers -> PC with mouse & keyboard only" special in first person shooters and other competitive games !:steamthumbsup::steamhappy:
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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από M-A-X-E ™:

I was talking about Official Valve servers, Not third party programs like Faceit .. so if faceit wants to have access to that future, then they would need to be hosted on the official server relays and not on private servers !

I just answer people as I brainstorm alot .. so if people comes with something that trickers derailing of the topic, then my brain goes in that direction for some time and it takes time for me to get back on track again !
I'm not talking about FaceIt or anything like that either. I'm talking about actual in-game servers, like for example the CoD games. Those servers are NOT Valve servers, but servers ran by Activison.

I call them 3rd party as technically Activision, EA, <insert whatever game dev> are 3rd party from Steams POV. And Valve has no control or influence on those servers.

Like I said, it will req cooperation with the other company´s to pull this through ..

try to be a little open-minded?

So instead of only seeing problems, try to see the possibilities instead of ?
Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από brian9824:
Please cite your source if you wish to claim CS Go has a hidden unadvertised aim assist
I tried to play CSGO on a controller back when I had my Steam Link plugged on my TV and it had none aim assist (which made playing it an uphill battle even against easy bots)
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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από brian9824:
Please cite your source if you wish to claim CS Go has a hidden unadvertised aim assist
I tried to play CSGO on a controller back when I had my Steam Link plugged on my TV and it had none aim assist (which made playing it an uphill battle even against easy bots)

I'll assume the OP is going to claim it exists, but its hidden and not a menu option. Hence why the request to have him cite his source.
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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από M-A-X-E ™:

IT IS BUILD INTO THE SYSTEM WHEN USING A CONTROLLER .. how many times do i have to tell you this ?

And Aimbot, triggerbot on joysticks and controllers hardware is a well known issue among gamers and has been so for like more than 2 decades now I personally saw the first of them back in the 90s to amiga because the dude didnt like to press the button all the time, so he made his own trigger control with aim assist on a little chip and soldered it to one of the other chips on the circuit board, it can even be done to mouse hardware !

Again that is false. CS GO for instance does not have it - https://www.gadgetreview.com/csgo-controller-vs-mouse#:~:text=CSGO%20is%20a%20competitive%20online,feature%20aim%20assist%20for%20gamepads.

Controller players are at a massive disadvantage in CSGO; it doesn’t feature aim assist for gamepads.

Please cite your source if you wish to claim CS Go has a hidden unadvertised aim assist

There is build in cheats in the game, all you need is a script that overrule the Sv_cheat command on the client so it dont need the servers permission to do it ..

e.g. you want wallhack ? well then just use the build in commands like r_drawothermodels 2, enable_skeleton_draw 1, mat_proxy 2, mat_fillrate 1, is a wallhack build into the game !",

No recoils and no spread ? weapon_accuracy_nospread 1, weapon_recoil_scale 0 ..

If you want aimbot .. well then you just use -> ent_fire !self AddOutput “ModelScale 0” Buum and you got aimbot ..

Want godmode ? god .. How do you think cheats are made for games ?

memory reader and thous cheats toggle on, then read the hex and run it through a script or cheat engine .. i mean the game developers give the cheaters what they want by putting the source to it right there in the game, they dont even need to calculate or try figurer it out to create a cheat, when the whole source to it is build into the game by the developers !

But again this was not a talk about Cheaters, this was a talk about Opt out on Crossplay !§
Because the controllers got unadvertised aim assist buildin to it on the system !

Just take my PS5 .. it got build in aim assist on the controller and i can set how many % i want it to help me from 0 to 100%
Τελευταία επεξεργασία από MAXE; 17 Ιουλ 2023, 9:45
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But again this was not a talk about Cheaters, this was a talk about Opt out on Crossplay !§

And there is no Cross play in Valve's games.

https://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/counter-strike-global-offensive-cross-play/

https://farmingless.com/is-team-fortress-2-cross-platform/

The closest there was, was Portal 2 and that didn't work out as they had to be the same versions of the game. Most times the PC version want higher then the PS3 version.

If there is not cross play, then there is no need for an option to opt out of it.

If cross play existed in Valve games, then I could seed the need for such an option and it would likely be included in the game already.
Τελευταία επεξεργασία από Spawn of Totoro; 17 Ιουλ 2023, 9:47
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Again that is false. CS GO for instance does not have it - https://www.gadgetreview.com/csgo-controller-vs-mouse#:~:text=CSGO%20is%20a%20competitive%20online,feature%20aim%20assist%20for%20gamepads.



Please cite your source if you wish to claim CS Go has a hidden unadvertised aim assist

There is build in cheats in the game, all you need is a script that overrule the Sv_cheat command on the client so it dont need the servers permission to do it ..

e.g. you want wallhack ? well then just use the build in commands like r_drawothermodels 2, enable_skeleton_draw 1, mat_proxy 2, mat_fillrate 1, is a wallhack build into the game !",

No recoils and no spread ? weapon_accuracy_nospread 1, weapon_recoil_scale 0 ..

If you want aimbot .. well then you just use -> ent_fire !self AddOutput “ModelScale 0” Buum and you got aimbot ..

Want godmode ? god .. How do you think cheats are made for games ?

memory reader and thous cheats toggle on, then read the hex and run it through a script or cheat engine .. i mean the game developers give the cheaters what they want by putting the source to it right there in the game, they dont even need to calculate or try figurer it out to create a cheat, when the whole source to it is build into the game by the developers !

But again this was not a talk about Cheaters, this was a talk about Opt out on Crossplay !§

Got it, so as you confirmed there is no aim assist for controllers. There are just cheats that will get you banned and work on mouse as well as controllers. So your suggestion for CS GO would accomplish nothing as anyone could do what your describing with a mouse....

Thank you for confirming their is no aim assist for controllers, as already stated if any other developers including valve wish to do so, they can segregate their match making but Valve can't force them to.

Also their is no crossplay on CS GO...... Just like their is no aim assist for controllers which you just confirmed.
Τελευταία επεξεργασία από Brian9824; 17 Ιουλ 2023, 9:48
CS:GO has little to no aim assist. It is nothing like Halo or CoD where it can track you through walls over 100m away.

:summercat2023:
Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από brian9824:
Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από M-A-X-E ™:

There is build in cheats in the game, all you need is a script that overrule the Sv_cheat command on the client so it dont need the servers permission to do it ..

e.g. you want wallhack ? well then just use the build in commands like r_drawothermodels 2, enable_skeleton_draw 1, mat_proxy 2, mat_fillrate 1, is a wallhack build into the game !",

No recoils and no spread ? weapon_accuracy_nospread 1, weapon_recoil_scale 0 ..

If you want aimbot .. well then you just use -> ent_fire !self AddOutput “ModelScale 0” Buum and you got aimbot ..

Want godmode ? god .. How do you think cheats are made for games ?

memory reader and thous cheats toggle on, then read the hex and run it through a script or cheat engine .. i mean the game developers give the cheaters what they want by putting the source to it right there in the game, they dont even need to calculate or try figurer it out to create a cheat, when the whole source to it is build into the game by the developers !

But again this was not a talk about Cheaters, this was a talk about Opt out on Crossplay !§

Got it, so as you confirmed there is no aim assist for controllers. There are just cheats that will get you banned and work on mouse as well as controllers. So your suggestion for CS GO would accomplish nothing as anyone could do what your describing with a mouse....

Thank you for confirming their is no aim assist for controllers, as already stated if any other developers including valve wish to do so, they can segregate their match making but Valve can't force them to.

Also their is no crossplay on CS GO...... Just like their is no aim assist for controllers which you just confirmed.

Stop derailing and say there is no aim assists for controllers when there clearly are !

Because the controllers got unadvertised aim assist buildin to it on the system !

Just take my PS5 .. it got build in aim assist on the controller and i can set how many % i want it to help me from 0 to 100%
Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Spawn of Totoro:
Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από M-A-X-E ™:
But again this was not a talk about Cheaters, this was a talk about Opt out on Crossplay !§

And there is no Cross play in Valve's games.

https://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/counter-strike-global-offensive-cross-play/

https://farmingless.com/is-team-fortress-2-cross-platform/

The closest there was, was Portal 2 and that didn't work out as they had to be the same versions of the game. Most times the PC version want higher then the PS3 version.

If there is not cross play, then there is no need for an option to opt out of it.

If cross play existed in Valve games, then I could seed the need for such an option and it would likely be included in the game already.

it is not just about crossplay, its about Controllers vs mouse and keyboard ! ... Controllers got buildin aim assists in them & thous that dont have it on their systems !

So Valve could make two versions of the game, one of them not allowed to connect on the Console networks at all .. and the other one not allowed to connect to the PC networks .. so if you have an Xbox and want to play competitive, then it will be against playstation and other console users..

I mean it is a huge issue, when we talk fairplay here .. either all have aim assists and all the cheats there is or NONE have it .. take a pick .. there is no middle way where one team is allowed and the other team aint, when we talk about fairplay in the games, special in competitive games like CS/COD/Battlefield & Rainbow six and similar shooters !
Τελευταία επεξεργασία από MAXE; 17 Ιουλ 2023, 9:58
Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από M-A-X-E ™:
Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από brian9824:

Got it, so as you confirmed there is no aim assist for controllers. There are just cheats that will get you banned and work on mouse as well as controllers. So your suggestion for CS GO would accomplish nothing as anyone could do what your describing with a mouse....

Thank you for confirming their is no aim assist for controllers, as already stated if any other developers including valve wish to do so, they can segregate their match making but Valve can't force them to.

Also their is no crossplay on CS GO...... Just like their is no aim assist for controllers which you just confirmed.

Stop derailing and say there is no aim assists for controllers when there clearly are !

Because the controllers got unadvertised aim assist buildin to it on the system !

Just take my PS5 .. it got build in aim assist on the controller and i can set how many % i want it to help me from 0 to 100%

Then cite your source, you haven't shown anything proving your claim. All you've listed are cheats that work on mouse.

There is no mythical aim assist built into a controller, if you wish to claim otherwise you need to be able to actually provide a source for your claim. Saying it exists doesn't magically make it so.
Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από M-A-X-E ™:
it is not just about crossplay, its about Controllers vs mouse and keyboard ! ... Controllers got buildin aim assists in them & thous that dont have it on their systems !

Game developers calibrate the aim assist for controllers in their games and some have settings for varying degrees of aim assist, like CoD. They don't automagically have them built in, unless they are controllers with cheating software in them.

If you don't want to play with people on controllers, only the game devs themselves can add this option in their games but most won't add that option because it pushes away casuals from their games. Casuals are the biggest market for FPS games.

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I mean it is a huge issue, when we talk fairplay here .. either all have aim assists and all the cheats there is or NONE have it .. take a pick .. there is no middle way where one team is allowed and the other team aint, when we talk about fairplay in the games, special in competitive games like CS/COD/Battlefield & Rainbow six and similar shooters !

Halo was far worse. So bad that they added aim assist to m&kb too.

:summercat2023:
Τελευταία επεξεργασία από cSg|mc-Hotsauce; 17 Ιουλ 2023, 10:03
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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από brian9824:

Got it, so as you confirmed there is no aim assist for controllers. There are just cheats that will get you banned and work on mouse as well as controllers. So your suggestion for CS GO would accomplish nothing as anyone could do what your describing with a mouse....

Thank you for confirming their is no aim assist for controllers, as already stated if any other developers including valve wish to do so, they can segregate their match making but Valve can't force them to.

Also their is no crossplay on CS GO...... Just like their is no aim assist for controllers which you just confirmed.

Stop derailing and say there is no aim assists for controllers when there clearly are !

Because the controllers got unadvertised aim assist buildin to it on the system !

Just take my PS5 .. it got build in aim assist on the controller and i can set how many % i want it to help me from 0 to 100%
Anything with "built in aim assist" would subject the user to receiving an anti-cheat game ban or Developer assigned game ban as it would be a tool designed for an unfair advantage aka cheating.

There's a difference between game-based controller aim assist which is usually for slow controller axis made more for singleplayer for controller games, and a device having the complete advantage each moment it's being used. Though usually games program it in for their game, for singleplayer, not so much multiplayer.

Regardless, as you've been told since matchmaking is usually done through a game or a Developers programmed things, it would be up to the Developer to make any criteria for matchmaking or the ability to keep a console version from a pc version if desired (controller v mouse&kb), or to not care which for matchmaking.

Contact Activision if you want a feature in Activision created games. Steam simply lets them sell their games and grabs their cut of sales.
Τελευταία επεξεργασία από Mad Scientist; 17 Ιουλ 2023, 10:00
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Stop derailing and say there is no aim assists for controllers when there clearly are !

Because the controllers got unadvertised aim assist buildin to it on the system !

Just take my PS5 .. it got build in aim assist on the controller and i can set how many % i want it to help me from 0 to 100%

Then cite your source, you haven't shown anything proving your claim. All you've listed are cheats that work on mouse.

There is no mythical aim assist built into a controller, if you wish to claim otherwise you need to be able to actually provide a source for your claim. Saying it exists doesn't magically make it so.

you can just buy the controller with it build in to it ....



This one even got build in ESP



and then there is the Cronus The Zen that allows players to cheat in Warzone. Because it is not an explicit 'aimbot' or 'wallhack', it can be more difficult to identify in enemy kill cams or opponent footage.
Τελευταία επεξεργασία από MAXE; 17 Ιουλ 2023, 10:17
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Then cite your source, you haven't shown anything proving your claim. All you've listed are cheats that work on mouse.

There is no mythical aim assist built into a controller, if you wish to claim otherwise you need to be able to actually provide a source for your claim. Saying it exists doesn't magically make it so.

you can just buy the controller with it build in to it ....

https://www.amazon.com/Custom-Modded-Controller-Shooter-CUH-ZCT2U/dp/B07D6TCSXK/ref=sr_1_10?keywords=aimbot+ps4+controller&qid=1689613120&sr=8-10

This one even got build in ESP

https://www.amazon.com/Controller-Xbox-Remappable-Enhancements-Superhuman-X/dp/B096GQBLM2/ref=sr_1_9?keywords=xbox+one+aimbot+controller&qid=1689613343&sr=8-9

Why would you post hardware cheating devices on the forums?

:summercat2023:
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I'm not talking about FaceIt or anything like that either. I'm talking about actual in-game servers, like for example the CoD games. Those servers are NOT Valve servers, but servers ran by Activison.

I call them 3rd party as technically Activision, EA, <insert whatever game dev> are 3rd party from Steams POV. And Valve has no control or influence on those servers.

Like I said, it will req cooperation with the other company´s to pull this through ..

try to be a little open-minded?

So instead of only seeing problems, try to see the possibilities instead of ?
Except that it's already possible to do such things. You might want to ask yourself why game devs don't already implement such systems.

Being wary of overly opportunistic and poorly thought out suggestions doesn't mean a person isn't open-minded. Some of us are trained to see the problems so that they can be overcome.

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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από brian9824:

Then cite your source, you haven't shown anything proving your claim. All you've listed are cheats that work on mouse.

There is no mythical aim assist built into a controller, if you wish to claim otherwise you need to be able to actually provide a source for your claim. Saying it exists doesn't magically make it so.

you can just buy the controller with it build in to it ....

https://www.amazon.com/Custom-Modded-Controller-Shooter-CUH-ZCT2U/dp/B07D6TCSXK/ref=sr_1_10?keywords=aimbot+ps4+controller&qid=1689613120&sr=8-10

This one even got build in ESP

https://www.amazon.com/Controller-Xbox-Remappable-Enhancements-Superhuman-X/dp/B096GQBLM2/ref=sr_1_9?keywords=xbox+one+aimbot+controller&qid=1689613343&sr=8-9
Modded controllers, ergo not official controllers other people in the thread are talking about.
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