ErikNL 2022 年 11 月 15 日 上午 5:18
Opening cases in Netherlands/Belgium
I have a question about opening cases in Belgium and the Netherlands. I was curious if Valve is still working on getting a permit so that users in Belgium and the Netherlands can open cases. I contacted the Dutch government and the Dutch lottery, but they cannot provide any further information about this and refer me back to you.

Wouldn't it be fantastic if you could get the Dutch and Belgium people as a customer so that Dutch and Belgians also have the availability to open cases and capsules. I know that since this year there is a new law that allows online lotteries to be licensed.

Does anyone now if Valve is working on this? Or maybe someone can help Valve with this?
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Brian9824 2022 年 11 月 15 日 上午 5:38 
Valve doesn't comment on anything like this until its done, if its done, but I would not expect them to be getting a permit anytime soon if ever
Gwarsbane 2022 年 11 月 15 日 上午 5:43 
引用自 Eiswolfin
I doubt Valve would do this because it would be them admitting they are running gambling through their games, and I doubt they want that kind of optics.

^^^ This ^^^
✨Saint✨ 2022 年 11 月 15 日 上午 5:57 
Valve does not need a "permit", or change anything for that matter, it is the rules in those countries that have to change to make it possible to open cases.

Valve is not working on this, your country has to.

:saint:
最后由 ✨Saint✨ 编辑于; 2022 年 11 月 15 日 上午 5:58
HikariLight 2022 年 11 月 15 日 上午 6:09 
If the country has laws banning gambling and other similar things such as loot box mechanics, then the laws would have to change, Valve MUST follow the laws in the country they wish to be active in.
Brian9824 2022 年 11 月 15 日 上午 6:43 
引用自 Eiswolfin
what we really need to see is more countries, especially the EU and the US, making lootboxes illegal unless the game is rated for 21+ year olds only, and they have to provide proof of their age, like uploading a license, in order to play the game.

Yeah don't expect that to ever happen, uploading a license without having a way to validate it is useless, and it still does nothing to prove the actual person playing the game is an adult.

What we really need is less government regulation and more parents actually being parents and you know taking care of their kids instead of expecting the government to do it for them....
Jackhammer (Wholf) 2022 年 11 月 15 日 上午 6:59 
Nee dankje.
Crazy Tiger 2022 年 11 月 15 日 上午 7:09 
引用自 仨RIkNL ♿
I was curious if Valve is still working on getting a permit so that users in Belgium and the Netherlands can open cases.
You say "still", that implies Valve had the intention to do so. I doubt that's the case, there is likely too much hassle to get such a license to make it worth the effort..

If you want to be able to open lootboxes, try and get the governments to unban lootboxes.

引用自 仨RIkNL ♿
Wouldn't it be fantastic if you could get the Dutch and Belgium people as a customer so that Dutch and Belgians also have the availability to open cases and capsules.
Dutch and Belgians already are customer. Sure, we can't open lootboxes, but that doesn't mean we're not customers.
ErikNL 2022 年 11 月 15 日 上午 9:29 
引用自 Crazy Tiger
If you want to be able to open lootboxes, try and get the governments to unban lootboxes
I have done that. I called and emailed the government and asked if there were any applications pending, but they could not tell me anything about this. Just like the Dutch Gaming Authority, which covers the lootboxes. This authority refers me back to Valve as they will have to submit an application to get a license that allows Dutch people to open boxes.

引用自 Crazy Tiger
Dutch and Belgians already are customer. Sure, we can't open lootboxes, but that doesn't mean we're not customers.
True...

引用自 ✨Saint✨
Valve does not need a "permit", or change anything for that matter, it is the rules in those countries that have to change to make it possible to open cases.

Valve is not working on this, your country has to.

:saint:
The Dutch government will not change the policy. They changed this law about two years ago. Companies that want to use these services can apply for a license. Several gambling websites have done this and some have also been licensed. That's why I'm curious if Valve also has an application pending. This is because it is of course a good source of income for Valve and we as Dutch people like te open cases and capsules.
Reggaejunkiedrew 2022 年 11 月 15 日 上午 9:46 
引用自 仨RIkNL ♿
The Dutch government will not change the policy. They changed this law about two years ago. Companies that want to use these services can apply for a license. Several gambling websites have done this and some have also been licensed. That's why I'm curious if Valve also has an application pending. This is because it is of course a good source of income for Valve and we as Dutch people like te open cases and capsules.

I'm assuming that in order for a service to be in compliance, there would be more to it than just submitting an application. CSGO isn't designed to operate as a gambling service, which are usually heavily regulated with very specific rules that need to be followed, and I'm guessing it would require significant changes to how loot boxes are marketed and sold inside the game.

It's possible this is something they are exploring because it's entirely possible these laws will be passed in more countries, but It's almost certainly going to require more work to be in compliance than merely submitting an application.
Washell 2022 年 11 月 15 日 下午 1:54 
引用自 仨RIkNL ♿
This is because it is of course a good source of income for Valve and we as Dutch people like te open cases and capsules.
They don't bother implementing Germany's age rating system to sell 18+ games to a country with 83 million people. Something that's mostly handled on the government's side which simply provides Valve with a yes or no to regards if a person is 18+.

Don't hold your breath for them implementing something far more complicated in two different countries simply for cs:go lootboxes.

https://kansspelautoriteit.nl/voor-zakelijke-aanbieders/online-kansspel/kosten-benodigde-documenten/
Reggaejunkiedrew 2022 年 11 月 15 日 下午 2:13 
引用自 Washell
引用自 仨RIkNL ♿
This is because it is of course a good source of income for Valve and we as Dutch people like te open cases and capsules.
They don't bother implementing Germany's age rating system to sell 18+ games to a country with 83 million people. Something that's mostly handled on the government's side which simply provides Valve with a yes or no to regards if a person is 18+.

Don't hold your breath for them implementing something far more complicated in two different countries simply for cs:go lootboxes.

https://kansspelautoriteit.nl/voor-zakelijke-aanbieders/online-kansspel/kosten-benodigde-documenten/

Do you think the market for adult games in a given country is larger than that for CSGO lootboxes? Maybe I'm wrong but Id expect the lootbox thing to be a way bigger deal, especially since Valve only gets a split of the revenue for games.

The AO thing seems way less likely to become a recurring thing in other countries than lootbox regulation, so it's not necessarily just the time investment for those two countries to implement it, but potentially the rest of the EU at some point.
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Tito Shivan 2022 年 11 月 15 日 下午 2:45 
引用自 Eiswolfin
what we really need to see is more countries, especially the EU and the US, making lootboxes illegal unless the game is rated for 21+ year olds only, and they have to provide proof of their age, like uploading a license, in order to play the game.
I think we'll see lootboxes being deprecated and replaced by new monetisation schemes long before regulation about them becomes mainstream.
They seem to be a thing on their way out already. Overwatch 2 already ditched them in favor of monetising through season passes.
Pheex 2022 年 11 月 17 日 下午 2:22 
引用自 Tito Shivan
引用自 Eiswolfin
what we really need to see is more countries, especially the EU and the US, making lootboxes illegal unless the game is rated for 21+ year olds only, and they have to provide proof of their age, like uploading a license, in order to play the game.
I think we'll see lootboxes being deprecated and replaced by new monetisation schemes long before regulation about them becomes mainstream.
They seem to be a thing on their way out already. Overwatch 2 already ditched them in favor of monetising through season passes.

This, or like Actiblizzard has done with Diablo Immoral and make the lootbox basically a gameplay element, circumventing the law while using an identical principle as a lootbox.
RiO 2022 年 11 月 17 日 下午 11:27 
引用自 Pheex
This, or like Actiblizzard has done with Diablo Immoral and make the lootbox basically a gameplay element, circumventing the law while using an identical principle as a lootbox.

Didn't work for Diablo Immortal then. It is still not active on the Dutch and Belgian markets. Official reasons cited from the developer, that its business model is incompatible with local legislation.
最后由 RiO 编辑于; 2022 年 11 月 17 日 下午 11:27
Tito Shivan 2022 年 11 月 18 日 上午 12:30 
引用自 Pheex
This, or like Actiblizzard has done with Diablo Immoral and make the lootbox basically a gameplay element, circumventing the law while using an identical principle as a lootbox.
I see them being deprecated alltogether, not just being 'reworked'. Just look at how Overwatch 2 has completely ditched them.

Games will probably transition to other SaaS engagement mechanics (like Season/operation passes) for monetization in the near future.
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