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ΛꝒ⊕ Sep 13, 2020 @ 10:18am
VALVE could stop virtually all cheating but they decided not to!
All Valve has to do is implement account verification via passport/ID. Free 2 play without verification should only include casual servers. Matchmaking for signed player 16+ only!
IT COULD ALL BE SO ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ EASY BUT VALVE IS THINKING WITH THE MONEY ♥♥♥♥ AND NOT WITH BRAIN!
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Yasahi Sep 13, 2020 @ 10:21am 
Valve has no right to ask for passports or national IDs. Furthermore, Valve can't verify said documents. Your suggestion has been shot down several times in the past. Do a search, educate yourself and stop ranting.
cSg|mc-Hotsauce Sep 13, 2020 @ 10:23am 
Originally posted by APO:
All Valve has to do is implement account verification via passport/ID. Free 2 play without verification should only include casual servers. Matchmaking for signed player 16+ only!
IT COULD ALL BE SO ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ EASY BUT VALVE IS THINKING WITH THE MONEY ♥♥♥♥ AND NOT WITH BRAIN!

No, they can't. Not in all countries.

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Start_Running Sep 13, 2020 @ 10:25am 
Think about that real hard. That means VAlve , an american company subject only to american laws, would have to access the database passport registry for say... The UK to look up and verify that information.

Can you guess why many governments are a little cagey about allowing such access hmm?
And its not like that would actually stop cheaters.
cinedine Sep 13, 2020 @ 10:26am 
I think you wanted to call the topic "Valve could easily kill all games".
Radene Sep 13, 2020 @ 10:35am 
Originally posted by Start_Running:
Think about that real hard. That means VAlve , an american company subject only to american laws, would have to access the database passport registry for say... The UK to look up and verify that information.

Can you guess why many governments are a little cagey about allowing such access hmm?
And its not like that would actually stop cheaters.

Just governments? I'm not letting my ID and passport info anywhere near the American government (to the point of refusing to ever travel there), even if my government would be OK with it :P
Theblaze Sep 13, 2020 @ 10:52am 
Originally posted by APO:
[...] IT COULD ALL BE SO ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ EASY BUT VALVE IS THINKING WITH THE MONEY ♥♥♥♥ AND NOT WITH BRAIN!

Yeah, because there is not a SINGLE online game without cheaters.
Crazy Tiger Sep 13, 2020 @ 11:13am 
Originally posted by APO:
All Valve has to do is implement account verification via passport/ID.
I can tell you that Valve has no way to require that from me according to the laws around here.

Also, considering that Valve has no way to actually verify a passport/ID and fake ones aren't that uncommon nor expensive, how does this solve anything?
Tito Shivan Sep 13, 2020 @ 12:23pm 
Originally posted by APO:
All Valve has to do is implement account verification via passport/ID.
Not every country has IDs and not everyone has passport.

Originally posted by cinedine:
I think you wanted to call the topic "Valve could easily kill all games".
'There can't be cheaters if there's no games to cheat on' [taps forehead]
76561198407601200 Sep 13, 2020 @ 12:27pm 
Originally posted by APO:
All Valve has to do is implement account verification via passport/ID

Has been shot down numerous times. Should use the search feature to read on those topics.
Satoru Sep 13, 2020 @ 12:36pm 
Originally posted by APO:
All Valve has to do is implement account verification via passport/ID.

Ok lets look at JUST America

Only 42% of people have passports. Also note that you have no way to actually verify passports so hey good luck with that.

So you still have 58% of people who you have to verify via other means

Ok so you have 50 states.

1) Every state has an entirely different ID card methodology
2) There is no centralized verification system for these ID cards
3) Not everyone in the state has ID. ID cards such as drivers licenses or other state IDs are by and large orchestrated to systemically make it such that miniorities are at best incredibly inconveninced or at worst outright functionally banned from getting them

So now you have to cobble together a system that ties the federal passport verification, which by the way is unavailable to most companies, to state verification which again is unavailable to most companies. And the fact that many people have no ID at all because if you dont drive in America you functionlaly dont need ID for anything.

Congrats you have covered A SINGLE COUNTRY

Now try that with Europe.

Then South America

And then Africa

And then Asia

Go ahead. Tell me HOW YOU ARE GOING TO DO THIS.


IT COULD ALL BE SO ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ EASY BUT VALVE IS THINKING WITH THE MONEY ♥♥♥♥ AND NOT WITH BRAIN!

If people like you 'used your brain' you'd see how absolutely untenable such a system is even iwith the USA let alone globally. But of course its far easier to 'not use your brain' but insist that Valve implement something that you have literally given less thought to than sitting on the toilet for more than 2 seconds.
Last edited by Satoru; Sep 13, 2020 @ 12:37pm
Matt Sep 13, 2020 @ 12:39pm 
Nothing mentioned here would stop cheating--just like requiring phone numbers or some minimum purchase amount hasn't stopped cheating. At best you can only slow it down. Plus, there's still the problem of cheating occurring from stolen accounts, particularly if those accounts were some how verified with an ID or passport. So no reason to get worked up here about something which won't work and is unlikely to happen.
SleepyHollow Sep 13, 2020 @ 12:42pm 
Its you who clearly isnt thinking with your "brain" when writing that last sentence.
Valve is a for profit company, making money is their objective... so you expect them to not think profit oriented or what? What do YOU think with?

The ID thing is stupid because:
1. easily 99%+ wouldnt want to give their ID to play a game, violating their privacy so have fun waiting for hours in your stupid ID matches
2. it can easily be abused, getting real ones or faking ids is easy af and pretty much free, even video id verifications can be bought relatively cheap.

what should really be removed are f2p accounts, no reason for them to exist. To play anything even deathmatch you should have paid prime because in dm or casual there is a cheater in literally 8/10 matches in nonprime ruining the impression for new players.
Low quality children's alt accounts shouldnt be possible for free only increases their count by 100x there is just no reason for f2p whatsoever, russian kids who can't afford 15 Euro to buy it and a large portion of which are secondary/cheating accounts arent needed in the game only worsening experience for genuine new players.
If valve wants to artificially increase player count they can just manipulate their own counter lol.
Last edited by SleepyHollow; Sep 13, 2020 @ 12:46pm
Sazzouu Sep 13, 2020 @ 1:44pm 
Originally posted by Yasahi:
Valve has no right to ask for passports or national IDs.

They do have the right to ask for... But so do we have the right to refuse their request
Last edited by Sazzouu; Sep 13, 2020 @ 1:44pm
Zekiran Sep 13, 2020 @ 1:52pm 
Contrary to popular believe, Benry is not an actual Valve employee and will never be allowed to have your passport.
Gwarsbane Sep 13, 2020 @ 2:02pm 
Originally posted by APO:
All Valve has to do is implement account verification via passport/ID. Free 2 play without verification should only include casual servers. Matchmaking for signed player 16+ only!
IT COULD ALL BE SO ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ EASY BUT VALVE IS THINKING WITH THE MONEY ♥♥♥♥ AND NOT WITH BRAIN!

Copy and paste for every time a "I have a great idea to stop cheating" and the "DO SOMETHING" posts that always happen because people don't bother to use the search feature...

While below is mainly aimed at VAC, it can be said about any anti-cheat software.

Do you really think that they just sit there saying, "oh we have the perfect way to stop all hackers/cheaters once and for all, but we're just not going to do it cause we're lazy, ohh look at that, more money just rolled in, time to sit back doing nothing again"....

You have no idea how hard it is to stop hackers/cheater.

Blocking IPs are pointless, IPs can be changed in seconds, also if you block a single IP you could end up blocking lots of innocent people specially if the ISPs reuse IPs.

Blocking Hardware IDs is also as pointless, they can be changed and if you sell off your hardware, anyone who gets it will be banned.

Asking for some form of ID is pointless without anyway for Valve to actually Verify that ID is actually real. There is this thing called photo editing, its easily done by just about anyone. So sending pictures of the ID is pointless. There is no government databases that Valve can tap into from every single country they sell in the world because no government in their right mind would ever allow a game company access to private information.

There is no place that people can take their IDs to get verified because it would cost Valve a lot of money to pay those places to do that for them. You would also need a lot of places because no one is going to drive even 10+ miles every time they need to get their ID checked.

Most people do not have passports and to get one is very expensive, least it is in my country and its only good for a few years. If I'm not traveling outside of my country why do I need a passport?

Phone calls to talk to someone, pointless & expensive.

Sending someone to persons home, very expensive.

Valve has to know about the hack and has to get their hands on it.
Then they have to figure out how it does its thing.
Then they have to figure out how to detect someone using it.
Then they have to figure out how to make sure they don't get any false positives.
Then they make it go active for a few weeks before actually hitting the kill switch.

Even before hitting the waiting time, this could be a few weeks work or more.

Why do they wait a few weeks to hit the kill switch? To get as many cheaters as they can in the net so that once they turn it on, the roaches don't go screaming to people "don't turn on the hack, its been detected".

Valve is also working on an automated way to detect cheating with teaching an AI what to look for. BUT this takes a long time to do and even then its not going to be perfect. Valve needs it to be perfect, to not create false positives that ban people who didn't actually cheat.

Now, do you know how easy it is for a cheat maker to change the cheat to make it undetectable? Sometimes its as simple as changing a few lines of code and thats it. Basically a few minutes work, then compile the program, test it, and upload it somewhere.

So if you want to help Valve, stop making posts like this. Look for people spreading urls to websites with hacks and send those urls (for the hacks and hack sites) to steam support. Don't post them in public, just send it to steam support.

If the game is not VAC protected, then you have to contact the game developer/publisher via the games discussion area and ask them how to submit the stuff to them.
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