Remove the THUMBS UP and DOWN from review

[Trustdesa]

Title is pretty clear, clearly too many gamers here troll in review, many reviews aren't not even relevant, I would think offering reviews without any "vote" would make for more interesting review kind of removing a lot of Trolling.

I like Steam however I see it get worse and worse each time, this was mentioned in several instances yet steam did zero about it, the charts they put add zero value as the average consumer surely cannot interpret data correctly, so they serve no purpose.

I kind of start to see why some companies are growing tired of the platform, there is little done to it lately it seems very stagnant, and some functions were meant to get reviewed IMHO.

What do you think guys? Reviews for me are nice to have as often you may get an insight that a reviewers online did not mention and it may be important for you, however the RED / BLUE is just generating a lot of rubbish review, let alone some people that do not even met min specs and put bad reviews on a platform that isn't exactly "press start to play" like a console.

[Tito Shivan]

How to sort which reviews users get to see if you remove their helpfulness ratio?

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

Are you talking about the thumbs-up/thumbs-down on the review itself, or the thumbs-up/thumbs down on rating the helpfulness of the review?

Because if it's the review headline status you're talking about, there ought to be a way to write a review without specifying a thumbs-up or thumbs-down to the game.

Meanwhile, the helpfulness thing I think is probably okay, but not like I find it all that useful anyway. They did have to add a Funny button because people kept upvoting silly memes, but I'm not sure how to deal with crappy reviews aside from some stupidly labor-intensive enforcement (that will probably leave some reviewers unhappy anyway).

[Trustdesa]

Originally posted by Tito Shivan:

How to sort which reviews users get to see if you remove their helpfulness ratio?

True that too, but looking how they are used, as they say "We cannot have nice things" :)

Or again like Quint say add a NEUTRAL status, as many reviews states they have to chose so they chose one, but in their own opinions they would have offered a neutral view of the game, not everything is black and white IMHO.

I think currently the system is just misused and can lead to a wrong interpretation of data, no reviews at all like Origin or EPIC (which I have only because I do some stuff seldon with Twinmotion) isn't good, but then again on Steam is abused.

There must be a better way.

[Pocahawtness]

Originally posted by Trustdesa:

Originally posted by Tito Shivan:

How to sort which reviews users get to see if you remove their helpfulness ratio?

True that too, but looking how they are used, as they say "We cannot have nice things" :)

Or again like Quint say add a NEUTRAL status, as many reviews states they have to chose so they chose one, but in their own opinions they would have offered a neutral view of the game, not everything is black and white IMHO.

I think currently the system is just misused and can lead to a wrong interpretation of data, no reviews at all like Origin or EPIC (which I have only because I do some stuff seldon with Twinmotion) isn't good, but then again on Steam is abused.

There must be a better way.

Why must there be a better way?
Any review system is open to abuse. Even gaming channels and so on can not be relied upon.
There will always be members of the gaming world who give the game a thumbs up or thumbs down that isn't deserved, but so what? At least it is some idea of what a game is like. I think buyers just have to read the reviews and see what people are complaining about and then make their own decision. Just as buyers should use the reviews as a guide only, so people making posts in forums shouldn't get upset if they don't agree with the reviews. I mean if you read most reviews, people are complaining about petty things. Usually money. It's their right to do that but it isn't God given that we should pay any attention.

[Oshutoru]

It is the same with positive review bombing through paid reviews, fanboys, second accounts of devs, etc...
People will always abuse a system for their own goals.

The users can decide for themselves wether they want to buy a game or not.
No need for remove anything. This is already a big problem in real life...

Best option would be if Steam devs put in a neutral thumb option, let only users with the age of 20 create a review & additional to reviews, a scala like this: -5 (Not ready for sell, because blocker) <---> 12 (Allmost perfect game, because X).
But this will also be abused, as long users don't explain themselve proper in both ways.

I ignore most positive & negative reviews on steam that are only one word, without a proper argument & not really helpful or lying about the product.
Part of the problem also lies in the gaming industry, where you gloss over your product in order to convince potential buyers, who were then deceived afterwards.
Examples: Cyberpunk 2077, Fallout 76, Mass Effect Andromeda or the upcoming Dragon Age 4.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

Originally posted by davidb11:

There is no such thing as a positive review bomb. So, I'm not sure why you would bring up something weird like that.

The term "review bomb" implies negativity, though (1) positive reviews have been used as part of review bombs aiming to lower the reputation of a game or developer, and (2) I can see the possibility of a positive "review bomb" such as the unexpected mention/inclusion of the game in a certain mostly unrelated meme that makes it very popular but only for the meme, though I'm not sure whether Steam currently counts something like this as a "review bomb".

[Start_Running]

Originally posted by davidb11:

There is no such thing as a positive review bomb. So, I'm not sure why you would bring up something weird like that.

The Phrase 'Review Boost' or 'Review Boosting' can be considered

[Oshutoru]

Originally posted by Quint the Alligator Snapper:

Originally posted by davidb11:

There is no such thing as a positive review bomb. So, I'm not sure why you would bring up something weird like that.

The term "review bomb" implies negativity, though (1) positive reviews have been used as part of review bombs aiming to lower the reputation of a game or developer, and (2) I can see the possibility of a positive "review bomb" such as the unexpected mention/inclusion of the game in a certain mostly unrelated meme that makes it very popular but only for the meme, though I'm not sure whether Steam currently counts something like this as a "review bomb".

Thanks for the clarification in my place.

I guess a lot of people didn't know about the different methods to manipulate people through Review Booster websites & other options like a beloved youtuber with a hardcore fanbase who make letsplays & just inform his fanbase they should give the game a try & like it because he like it, which is also part of marketing. A dirty game.

A mob of fanboys can also create positive reviews on steam when a game they loved & hyped get too much negative reviews & they will try to derail & ban proper critic, because they want to defend it.
Same as with negative review bombs that could also be created by many fake accounts from one different dev studio, to damage the image of their competition.
Off course you can also pay a third party company to do this stuff.

Originally posted by Start_Running:

Originally posted by davidb11:

There is no such thing as a positive review bomb. So, I'm not sure why you would bring up something weird like that.

The Phrase 'Review Boost' or 'Review Boosting' can be considered

Thanks. Exactly...

[Start_Running]

The thing about Review Boosting is that it tends to be a lot harder to prove or spot. Being a fanboy means you genuinely like that game and things about the game can usually speak on the things one enjoys.

Review bombers...are a bit more obvious.

Secondly it's a matter that pub/devs are *VERY* careful to not get caught up in any such things because that is one of the things that will get you booted off Steam like Gabe is trying for a field goal.

Not saying the don't but the generally keep enough layers of deniability (plausible and otherwise) to count as heavy Armour. It'd do little good to pay for a revbiew boost only to have yourself caught and get your product yeeted off the store.

Originally posted by davidb11:

I've never once heard of a Youtuber being used for evil.

I'll take that as sarcasm. Youtubers are frequently used as 'attack dogs' and shills. As long as they talk about the right points in acopnvincing and sincere tone.

Youtubers will shill for tyhe right payout. I mean youu think half the people that push Raid SHadowlegends actually even play the thing?

[HLCinSC]

Originally posted by davidb11:

There is no such thing as a positive review bomb. So, I'm not sure why you would bring up something weird like that.

I think this is the most famous instance https://steamcommunity.com/games/593110/announcements/detail/1621770561051427036

[Start_Running]

Originally posted by HLCinSC:

Originally posted by davidb11:

There is no such thing as a positive review bomb. So, I'm not sure why you would bring up something weird like that.

I think this is the most famous instance https://steamcommunity.com/games/593110/announcements/detail/1621770561051427036

Yeah AC-Unity got the pass because it was not malicious and it was actually directly related to something in the game. Namely its excellent renditionm of the still damaged Notre Dame cathedral. WHich is actually something in the game that is worthy of praise.

It's why I say Boosters tend to actually talk about the game and what's in it. WHere as Bombers will be likle "♥♥♥♥♥ EPIC". or The Dev is a Wanker"

See the difference.

[Chef]

Originally posted by Trustdesa:

Title is pretty clear, clearly too many gamers here troll in review, many reviews aren't not even relevant, I would think offering reviews without any "vote" would make for more interesting review kind of removing a lot of Trolling.

I like Steam however I see it get worse and worse each time, this was mentioned in several instances yet steam did zero about it, the charts they put add zero value as the average consumer surely cannot interpret data correctly, so they serve no purpose.

I kind of start to see why some companies are growing tired of the platform, there is little done to it lately it seems very stagnant, and some functions were meant to get reviewed IMHO.

What do you think guys? Reviews for me are nice to have as often you may get an insight that a reviewers online did not mention and it may be important for you, however the RED / BLUE is just generating a lot of rubbish review, let alone some people that do not even met min specs and put bad reviews on a platform that isn't exactly "press start to play" like a console.

Is this a post about other features that didn't get implemented, how garbage you think Steam is, or do you really want a feature implemented?

[The End]

Originally posted by Trustdesa:

Remove the THUMBS UP and DOWN from review ...
What do you think guys?.

Bad idea. You have the option to make a "review" with a thumb up/down, so it's no brainer that other users should have the ability to vote if your "review" were helpful or not.

[Edifier]

The positive of having them out weight the negative so they should be kept.

[Darren]

Originally posted by Rockon:

Originally posted by Trustdesa:

Remove the THUMBS UP and DOWN from review ...
What do you think guys?.

Bad idea. You have the option to make a "review" with a thumb up/down, so it's no brainer that other users should have the ability to vote if your "review" were helpful or not.

Except that isn't what he is asking for.

He wants the thumbs up/down removed from the review itself.

Not the marking it helpful or not. Both his original post and subsequent posts actually say this although they are by no means clear.

Originally posted by Trustdesa:

I would think offering reviews without any "vote" would make for more interesting review kind of removing a lot of Trolling.

Talking about reviews being trolling, not voting on them.

Originally posted by Trustdesa:

What do you think guys? Reviews for me are nice to have as often you may get an insight that a reviewers online did not mention and it may be important for you, however the RED / BLUE is just generating a lot of rubbish review, let alone some people that do not even met min specs and put bad reviews on a platform that isn't exactly "press start to play" like a console.

Red/Blue meaning the Positive/Negative nature of reviews, there is no red/blue from voting a review up or down.

Originally posted by Trustdesa:

Or again like Quint say add a NEUTRAL status, as many reviews states they have to chose so they chose one, but in their own opinions they would have offered a neutral view of the game, not everything is black and white IMHO.

I think currently the system is just misused and can lead to a wrong interpretation of data, no reviews at all like Origin or EPIC (which I have only because I do some stuff seldon with Twinmotion) isn't good, but then again on Steam is abused.

There must be a better way.

Makes it even more clear he is talking about reviews, and would be willing to accept instead of the removal of positive/negative on reviews the offering of a neutral option instead.