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that's someone from the very thread you linked to. So at least according to your "this worries me if it's true" thread, family VIEW allows you to do exactly what you want. Yes Family Share shares the whole library but Family View appears to "over ride" Family Share.
For Family View you can block your child from seeing the Steam Store if you think they are too young to view trailers of Wolfenstein on their own, but also believe your child is old enough to be a little liar and put in a false birthday in order to verify their age.
In such a case, do not allow your child to show the Steam Store alone (when i was looking at Family View it *appeared* you could block the Store from someone). ~
Shop the Steam Store from your own account *with* the child.. side by side.. and any games the child wants buy as a "gift" to your child's account.. right from your account. So your child's account never gets to see the store at all.
I assume you don't have children yourself.
For them, you wouldn't want them to have to ask you for every single game they want to buy from their own money; you don't expect them to when it comes to comics or chewing gum, either.
Also, no one learns to deal with one's money by letting someone else spend it.
And last but not least, it's going to become quite embarrassing at some point.
For yourself, you wouldn't want to unlock resp. add every single new game to every single of your computers' family view, would you?
And, now that we're talking 'bout it:
What's the point in letting children browse and even buy (!!!) games they can't play in the end because of family options?
I want to tell Steam: "My kid's 10 years old!"
Then I expect Steam to show my kid only proper contents, rated ESRB E or E 10+. Respectively PEGI 8+.
If there's no rating available on steam - let the parents decide!
Handle it as if it was rated 18+, and let parents set exceptions!
BTW:
I belive, a three year old is up to that!
Good luck filtering more than thousand games that have zero age rating since its not obligatory on Steam
Forgive me for saying that but the best way to protect your kids is to actually talk with them, explaining things to them.
For the record Im well over 20 and I grew up playing games like Quake 3 Arena, Half Life, etc..., We had zero filtering on our family pc yet I had a decent childhood and on top of that: I spent time with my parents doing family activities
I simply do not believe that blocking contents and such "just because" will have its effect, let alone because. when something is forbidden, its more desireable for children, even if its just for the heck of it.
With that being said, its not up to me to tell you how to raise your kids, just remember this though.
If you expect Valve to play the nanny for you: you are doing it wrong. (no disrespect intended)
Microsoft states that web content can only be blocked in Internet Explorer and Edge.
So, I need another parental control software.
Any suggestions?
Still, a huge, games selling company like Valve should also take responsibility itself IMVO.
But in the Steam agreement when you download it you need to check off the button where it stands ( I am 13 years old ) and something more
I also remember playing Doom, Heretic & Co. when I was way too young in secret with friends.
Started smoking and drinking earlier than I was allowed to, too.
So I perfectly know what you mean!
But entering the Steam store - just glancing at it's start page - means getting dug into adult content instantly. And that's what's different from back then!
Steam doesn't even try to seperate target groups:
Here's our today's offers! Blood, gore, violence! For just little money! Check the uncensored trailer!
I certainly don't raise my kid repressively: Steam account, own computer etc ;)
On the other hand I just don't want it to be confrontated with too much adult content in such a intrusive way - without taking the opportunity of playing still thousands of harmless games though.
Am I the only Steam user thinking that way?
Still you should be able to control access user-wise at least.
Dunno how slow other kids might be, but mine doesn't grow that much older by moving from one computer to another ^^
And the store is a too easy platform to get in contact with inappropriate content.
But jokes aside: its a tough thing to get done, to be honest
Legally speaking, they have covered themselves with the age control box (yeah, pretty much..)
Basically apart the tools you have at your disposition already, Im not sure what could be done..come to think of it though, they may well make it possible to have something like a "kids mode" in family sharing which would automatically hide content that is higher than lets say 12+ and so on according to PEGI/ESRB.
The core problem however would remain with the facts that many games on Steam dont have a content rating (mostly indie games and others that are only avalaible via digital download)
PS: Would like to apologise once again if I came off as rude in my previous comments, I tend to have a strong opinion about certain subjects as a gamer ^^"
I'm actually thankfulk for any hint/idea.
Now I've tried a couple of content filters meanwhile, and seemingly Steam's being ignored by all of them.
The only possible alternative's probably my internet service provider's (rather expensive) proxy based forefront filter.
Anyway, let this thread be a message to Valve to make Steam more safe for children!
When you join Steam you agree to the TOS/SSA ..and.. also agree with this statement "I agree AND am 13 years of age or older". If you are making accounts for children under the age of 13 on Steam that has broken the rules. Your earlier mentioned fictious 10 year old child shouldn't even have made their own Steam account, it seems.
Keeping people between the ages of 13 - 18 from seeing games that are rated "Mature" is already taken care of in the only way Valve is legally obligated to do so (adult/X-rated websites are only obligated to do this too), which is ask a user each time to confirm they are 18+.
Obviously this is easy to get around like we mention above, but... most people ages 13+ (if you are giving your child already unsupervised internet time) have pretty much 100% seen worse than they can see on Steam on the internet at large. Heck, they've probably even seen worse on advertisements on television. Advertisements for the very games you worry about them seeing trailers for on Steam, are also on television... plus advertisements for violent movies are also shown on tv. Soo...
i guess maybe your 13+ year old is only allowed to watch the Disney channel, but.. otherwise they've seen the same trailers already.
~
But really i think if you are letting your 13+ year old in book stores alone to buy comic books they are probably 100% flipping through books and comic books you don't want them to flip through. Even a 10 year old would do this.
So you really should be monitoring (if you are heaps worried) what your child is buying in real life shops that aren't "Child Only" shops. Like unless the bookstore or comic book shop you're letting your child go in to is called "Book Shop Only For Kids!" or something, then there are books and comics meant for 13+, 16+, and possibly 18+ there that are not necessarily behind some "brick wall of hiding" where you child is unable to see or flip through.
Don't get me wrong, there are heaps of games on Steam i wouldn't want my child younger than the age of 10 to see. But.. that's why i wouldn't allow my fictious under-10 year old child browsing the Steam Store without some level of monitoring.
Using browsing the Steam Store together to talk about various games, and why they aren't allowed and why i might think a specific game is inapprorpriate might even bring up a good opportunity between parent and child to express ideas and stuff.
...i dunno >.> i guess i sound the most confrontational here, but i'm not really meaning to be. i just don't know that Valve should be using their time and energy to make Steam For Kids, a version of Steam for kids 10 and below. There are so many other things Valve needs to work on to make Steam more user friendly and functional for their much much larger 13+ (and proper adult users, like you and i) that them splitting off time to make Steam For Kids seems wasteful to me.
And i'm sure Valve doesn't want to take on the headache of agreeing to "be responsible for child proofing Steam for kids". What a headache it would be for them if they made a "Steam For Kids" where some adult-themed game slipped through the cracks and then they had a legion of parents flooding them with angry letters (or news stories coming out) about how Valve lied to parents about protecting kids with their "Steam for Kids" version. Seems like it could be a nightmare of bad publicity.
1. To let any user that pretends to be adult to create special "child" account(s) on which the child user will be limited, at the first place, in editing his/her birth date. Additional limitations (such as money spending limit, time in play limit, and so on) may be also applied as configured from the "parent" account.
2. The "child" account(s) must be prohibited from access to overage rated content and from any content that has no age rating. The prohibition must be applied both to store and to "family shared" library. The possibility to specifically allow some of prohibited content from the "parent" account is a good idea, IMHO, but the default limitation must be strict.
3. The Steam administration must somehow encourage the publishers to make all their content age-rated. So do the community.
If the all three points will be realized (the first two should be not too tough to implement and the third is just organizational), the only way to child to get an inappropriate content from Steam is to get access to Steam in circumvention of his/her own account and pretend him/herself as an adult. And this will be not the Steam concern anymore, but the parent(s) one.
There is no a simple way to avoid this if you don't control your child 24/7, IMHO. May be the best way is to talk with the child seriously and honestly every time he/she seems disappointed by age-related limitations. And let the child know that you are ready to ease limits if he/she can prove that he/she is really interested in prohibited content (not becaue of the prohibition only) and can sustain it without any misbehaviour and other mental distortions. Keep in mind that we all violate some restrictions while being kids and despite this most of us grow adults, succesfully avoiding to become crazy and/or criminal persons. Do not think that the next generation is foolish and weaker than our.
This is, again, the curator recommendations that appear just because I visited the Steam store, and can easily appear on any children's game at a point in the store page before you even scroll down to the description of what the game is written by the developers, themselves. Looking at a match-3 marble-based game for your kid? Well, it's "recommended" by a group that throws down swastika emojis, and says you should kill yourself for being a n-word if you like certain types of games.
There's a difference between giving people freedom of choice, and doing nothing to lift a finger to stop bullying or hate speech from being directed at your children. As I said in the other thread, too often, these sorts of Liberterian ideals can be trotted out as a masquerade for sheer callous indifference to what is happening to others simply because it hasn't happened to you.
Valve absolutely sets the ground rules for what sorts of people are *welcome* in their store. People don't particularly need to worry about their kids visiting the Google Play or Apple App Store, and because of that, Google and Apple can sell tons of games to a much broader audience than the typical gamer culture before has allowed. If children, or for that matter, women or minorities, can't go on Steam without seeing hatespeech directed at them, that's not freedom to play whatever you want, because they DON'T feel free to play anything.