TURN OFF AUTO UPDATES!

[Fire]

For the 20th time this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ auto update killed a save game that took weeks to get to that point.

GIVE US A STOP UPDATES OPTION FOR EACH GAME THAT HAS A DISTICT SAVE GAME!

e.g. Paradox Games

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Originally posted by Fire:

TURN OFF AUTO UPDATES!

For the 20th time this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ auto update killed a save game that took weeks to get to that point.

GIVE US A STOP UPDATES OPTION FOR EACH GAME THAT HAS A DISTICT SAVE GAME!

e.g. Paradox Games

Your concern is with Paradox Games.

[William Shakesman]

Steam is the one pushing the updates.

That having been said, Paradox certainly should be able to design their games and updates in a less save destructive fashion, if they were skilled at game design.

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Originally posted by William Shakesman:

Steam is the one pushing the updates.

They are doing what the devs told them to do.

Originally posted by William Shakesman:

That having been said, Paradox certainly should be able to design their games and updates in a less save destructive fashion, if they were skilled at game design.

They know but simply do not care enough at this point.

[aiusepsi]

Paradox are usually pretty good at adding old versions of the game to the betas tab of the game properties. In Crusader Kings 3, for example, you can go all the way back to the launch version, 1.0.2.

Steam added an API in the last version of the Steamworks SDK to allow games to automatically enable a beta, so Paradox could add functionality to their games to recognise when you're trying to use a save game from an old version and automatically set your game to that version.

[Fire]

Originally posted by cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

Originally posted by Fire:

TURN OFF AUTO UPDATES!

For the 20th time this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ auto update killed a save game that took weeks to get to that point.

GIVE US A STOP UPDATES OPTION FOR EACH GAME THAT HAS A DISTICT SAVE GAME!

e.g. Paradox Games

Your concern is with Paradox Games.

:nkCool:

No it is not since it is not paradox that FORCES updates, that is steam. Also its not only paradox games but ANY game that has incompatible saves after an update which is the majority of complex games.

[Fire]

Originally posted by aiusepsi:

Paradox are usually pretty good at adding old versions of the game to the betas tab of the game properties. In Crusader Kings 3, for example, you can go all the way back to the launch version, 1.0.2.

Steam added an API in the last version of the Steamworks SDK to allow games to automatically enable a beta, so Paradox could add functionality to their games to recognise when you're trying to use a save game from an old version and automatically set your game to that version.

I really dont care about this i want an option that turns off all updates for the game until i say ok start updating again. ANY OTHER PLATFORM CAN DO THAT! It is A STEAM FAULT.

So Steam give us the option.

[Fire]

Originally posted by William Shakesman:

Steam is the one pushing the updates.

That having been said, Paradox certainly should be able to design their games and updates in a less save destructive fashion, if they were skilled at game design.

there are tons of games with fan add ons and mods. every time steam forces an update your saves are trash.

STEAM GIVE US A STOP UPDATE OPTION FOR SEPERATE GAMES.

[Nx Machina]

Originally posted by Fire:

For the 20th time this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ auto update killed a save game that took weeks to get to that point.

GIVE US A STOP UPDATES OPTION FOR EACH GAME THAT HAS A DISTICT SAVE GAME!

e.g. Paradox Games

Hearts of Iron IV for example uses beta branches to allow you to stay on the version of your choice and allows rollback to a version.

I am on an older version of Hearts of IV which is compatible with the 3rd party mods i chose to install knowing they could become incompatible with any update or only some may not function.

[Nx Machina]

Originally posted by William Shakesman:

Steam is the one pushing the updates.

Nope.

Steam is a program and it is updating games pushed by the developer who can choose to use version choice via branches, which stops auto-updating.

CDPR enabled version for the Witcher 3 next gen update.

Originally posted by William Shakesman:

That having been said, Paradox certainly should be able to design their games and updates in a less save destructive fashion, if they were skilled at game design.

Paradox uses beta branches to allow you to stay on the version of your choice and allows rollback to a version.

3rd party mods are user created and the modder is aware an update can potentially break their mod.

Zero reason to blame Paradox who did not create thise 3rd party mods nor need to check they remain compatible.

The end user is one who chooses to install 3rd party mods, a voluntary action and not a mandatory one, knowing mods can break because the 3rd party mod needs to be compatible with the game version, not vice versa.

[Fire]

Originally posted by Nx Machina:

Originally posted by William Shakesman:

Steam is the one pushing the updates.

Nope.

Steam is a program and it is updating games pushed by the developer who can choose to use version choice via branches, which stops auto-updating.

CDPR enabled version for the Witcher 3 next gen update.

Again it IS steam that forces you if an update is available!

you cannot choose nope i want the update later and I DONT want to hassle with different branches and friggin version I want a baseline I DONT WANT UPDATES NOW. Option. other platforms can do that easily, just not steam.

So stop defending this forced update nonsense.

[Fire]

Originally posted by Nx Machina:

Originally posted by William Shakesman:

Steam is the one pushing the updates.

3rd party mods are user created and the modder is aware an update can potentially break their mod.

Zero reason to blame Paradox who did not create thise 3rd party mods nor need to check they remain compatible.

The end user is one who chooses to install 3rd party mods, a voluntary action and not a mandatory one, knowing mods can break because the 3rd party mod needs to be compatible with the game version, not vice versa.

I dont blame paradox.

I blame steam for FORCING updates, without an option "no you dont do that for this game"

[Piston Smashed™]

The developers create an update they give it to Steam and say could you please distribute this to everyone. Steam uploads the update for everyone allowing the developers to update their game. How is that Steam's fault? They are doing what they are being told to do. Steam can't do anything other than what the developers want...

If an update breaks something you have modified then that is on you, not the developers and certainly NOT Steam. You changed the game, so any problems after an update is all your fault...

[[?]legit]

I agree.

[Crazy Tiger]

Originally posted by Fire:

Originally posted by Nx Machina:

3rd party mods are user created and the modder is aware an update can potentially break their mod.

Zero reason to blame Paradox who did not create thise 3rd party mods nor need to check they remain compatible.

The end user is one who chooses to install 3rd party mods, a voluntary action and not a mandatory one, knowing mods can break because the 3rd party mod needs to be compatible with the game version, not vice versa.

I dont blame paradox.

I blame steam for FORCING updates, without an option "no you dont do that for this game"

Why did you start using a service that utilises updating options you don't like in the first place? Shouldn't you blame yourself for that?

It's Valves platform. They're not obliged as it is to offer such options and it's known that Valve is firmly in the "always up-to-date" camp. This won't change without changes to how licensing or digital legislation works.

I suggest you better read into how the services you want to use actually work. Then pick the services that work as you please.
GoG is a good one for this, for example.

[William Shakesman]

Originally posted by Fire:

Originally posted by Nx Machina:

3rd party mods are user created and the modder is aware an update can potentially break their mod.

Zero reason to blame Paradox who did not create thise 3rd party mods nor need to check they remain compatible.

The end user is one who chooses to install 3rd party mods, a voluntary action and not a mandatory one, knowing mods can break because the 3rd party mod needs to be compatible with the game version, not vice versa.

I dont blame paradox.

I blame steam for FORCING updates, without an option "no you dont do that for this game"

This is correct. It wouldn't be hard for Steam to allow people to rollback or delay updates. Steam already provides this functionality in the console. As with most things though we are probably at the mercy of Valve Time.