We need ways to punishes the out of Control moderation when they wreck topics

[76561199648916059]

We simply need a way to punish the moderators that do a bad and inappropriate job.

Some suspicious activity with moderation just happened, reviewing the moderators work also lead to questionable ethics behind the actions.

When steam accounts act out they get punished by moderation.

when steam moderators act out, who punishes them for a job done Incorrectly?

[Thermal Lance]

You do realise you can have your ban appealed?

I had a few of my bans reverted that way.

With the load they have to deal with and the report-based approach, I wouldn't even think of expecting more than what we have now.

Unless they wake up tommorow and hire MORE mods. There will be some mistakes here and there, it's inevitable.

Do note the number of complain. When you look at the larger picture. Only a fraction of the user here have issues with moderation.

I'm not 100% happy with how things roll around here. But, it still beats whatever nonsense some of you guys peddle.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

It's already there, it's called the report button.


Also, do you see the text within the ban notice that says if you feel that this ban was issued by mistake, please contact Steam Support?


That's a thing, you know and it's attached to every ban message that you get.

[William Shakesman]

I'd rather not punish so much as be able to simply talk to a human to figure out where the line is. Valve has redefined "insult," "disrespect," "argumentative," and "harassment" in very different ways to how the real world uses them. At the end of the day, you're all going to be in this site together, one way or another. No sense in making it adversarial when cooperation would suffice.

[76561199648916059]

If your willing to wait 48 hours to get a response that's a bot telling you, your ban was applied correclty, I guess haha.

But seriously if moderation was held accountable it would create better work ethic and more productive forums where moderation doesn't make mistakes cause the punishment for incorrect moderation would be sever as it often costS STEAM money and customers when they get it wrong.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

William Shakesman eredeti hozzászólása:

I'd rather not punish so much as be able to simply talk to a human to figure out where the line is. Valve has redefined "insult," "disrespect," "argumentative," and "harassment" in very different ways to how the real world uses them.

Steam Support Staff are real people and have been for years.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Majestically Awkward eredeti hozzászólása:

If your willing to wait 48 hours to get a response that's a bot telling you, your ban was applied correclty, I guess haha.

But seriously if moderation was held accountable it would create better work ethic and more productive forums where moderation doesn't make mistakes cause the punishment for incorrect moderation would be sever as it often costS STEAM money and customers when they get it wrong.

First you say they're bots and then you mention work ethic? How does a bot have work ethic or ethics period?

Also, do you really expect us to believe that your limited account is generating any revenue for Valve at all?

[Ionut Catalin Frasineanu]

You are already embarrassing with all these attacks on the moderators, regardless of their nature. And if they are bots, what? And if they still make mistakes sometimes, what? I think it's time to end these conspiracy theories and grow up.

[Ionut Catalin Frasineanu]

C²C^Guyver |NZB| eredeti hozzászólása:

Majestically Awkward eredeti hozzászólása:

If your willing to wait 48 hours to get a response that's a bot telling you, your ban was applied correclty, I guess haha.

But seriously if moderation was held accountable it would create better work ethic and more productive forums where moderation doesn't make mistakes cause the punishment for incorrect moderation would be sever as it often costS STEAM money and customers when they get it wrong.

First you say they're bots and then you mention work ethic? How does a bot have work ethic or ethics period?

Also, do you really expect us to believe that your limited account is generating any revenue for Valve at all?

Right. 😂😂😂

[76561199648916059]

I only feel embarrassment for steam and for those who have over extended themselves on this platform. When I go to a restaurant and the foods disgusting I be sure to tell my friends and family not to eat their. When I use a service and it's bad and unprofessional I tell my friends and family and even strangers to not use the service and beware.

Greatest example is when there is a free give away I am sure to tell my friends and family about it, even if the services are poor as it's an attempt to redeem , we all make mistakes and treat others poorly, the real hope for humanity is we can change and do the right things to make it better.

Moderation is no different, steam is no different, and a change to the positive is needed

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

They should make intentional misinformation and lies against the ToS and act accordingly.

[snugginz]

Interesting to see these comments coming up here. I made a similar post not long ago about the Steam moderation policy being completely open to developer corruption and abuse of customers. Search my name in this Suggestions section, you'll find a heated thread, truthful about this topic.

What they are saying about you can appeal or complain about the moderator is patently FALSE.
Gather all your information, including your backups of all the posts the abusive moderators made (then deleted when they banned you to remove evidence of their abuses) and report them.

Almost every time that complaint will go straight to the moderator who just abused and banned you. And they may ban you again because there is no oversight on 'Steam' developer/moderators whatsoever.

In the rare case that it goes to an actual Steam employee, 100% of the time (in my experience) they will say the forums are developer property and for you to take it up with the abusive developer moderator.

This whole Steam moderation system is rotten to the core and the design practically begs developers to go full corruption and break every Steam rule in abusing customers who speak the truth about their games. And ban people on false/Trumped up charges in order to employ censorship for profits.

If enough people like you complain, MAYBE Steam will eventually do the decent thing and bring moderation back in house, so that moderators are responsible for their own actions once again.

[snugginz]

The whole outcome of all this is the developer moderators can manufacture a river of LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES 24 hours a day. Which is especially good for profits for games like F2P which rely on psychological manipulation and lies to get people involved in the first place. Oh yes! The F2P game moderators are by far the very worst of all 'fraud mods'. They attack, stalk, troll, name call, gaslight, flat out lie and if you say a word in response to defend yourself you are 'contributing to flame wars'. Yes. They are actually *that* transparently corrupt and abusive.

Steam won't do anything about it. Because money money money. The owner of World of Warships is a billionaire and Steam gets a cut of all that gravy.

This Steam moderation system is in fact truly disgusting.
An adult can just walk away, but for certain they are doing massive damage to youths. Who are steered directly by this behavior into narcissism, Machiavellianism, and possibly worst of all- nihilism.

With environments like Steam forums and their untouchable 'fraud mods' it should be no wonder to anybody why young people are addicted to drugs and committing suicide at all time record rates. Not to say Steam is entirely responsible for this tragedy, but oh boy don't they contribute!

[Crazy Tiger]

snugginz eredeti hozzászólása:

What they are saying about you can appeal or complain about the moderator is patently FALSE.

Odd then that people get bans overturned after appeal. They must live in a parallel universe, right?

[snugginz]

Crazy Tiger eredeti hozzászólása:

snugginz eredeti hozzászólása:

What they are saying about you can appeal or complain about the moderator is patently FALSE.

Odd then that people get bans overturned after appeal. They must live in a parallel universe, right?

There are exceptions to every rule.
People also go into space. Doesn't mean you or I will or that is normal for the other several billion of us.

If the bans were overturned they must have been deemed to be harmless as far as the telling of truths that might get in the way of corporate profits.

[Crazy Tiger]

snugginz eredeti hozzászólása:

Crazy Tiger eredeti hozzászólása:

Odd then that people get bans overturned after appeal. They must live in a parallel universe, right?

There are exceptions to every rule.
People also go into space. Doesn't mean you or I will or that is normal for the other several billion of us.

If the bans were overturned they must have been deemed to be harmless as far as the telling of truths that might get in the way of corporate profits.

So people aren't patently false when they say that one can appeal the ban and get it overturned, as per your previous claim.

Thank you for confirming that your claim is BS!