Implement a solution for Adult Only Games in Germany

[Fenris]

I am over 30 years old, even my Steam Account is 17 Years old, and i am not allowed to buy Adult Only games, because of stupid German laws or Steam to lazy to implement a Age Verification.
The Customers are now suffering, because the German Goverment and Valve are to Stuborn to solve this...
Other Websites where able to implement a easy Age Verification, why is Valve not able to do it?

[potato]

problem isn't steam, it's your nanny state government

[Brian9824]

The issue is they are fully capable of doing it, the problem is if they feel its not cost effective to do so, or if they disagree with their draconic restrictions enough that they won't do it.

Valve is well aware of the issue, all you can do is wait and see if Germany rolls back their law, or if Steam decides its worth spending the resources on.

Sometimes the best solution is to do nothing, and unfortunately its one users might not like, but it is indeed a valid solution.

[Mad Scientist]

Originally posted by Fenris:

I am over 30 years old, even my Steam Account is 17 Years old, and i am not allowed to buy Adult Only games, because of stupid German laws or Steam to lazy to implement a Age Verification.
The Customers are now suffering, because the German Goverment and Valve are to Stuborn to solve this...
Other Websites where able to implement a easy Age Verification, why is Valve not able to do it?

If german customers do not like the situation, they should be making a fuss at the people constantly making silly laws for numerous countries; the german government.

Else, in the past, they once did say they were working on something, but I very much doubt they care to complete that task in any sort of rush. If it was immensely profitable, they likely would've finished it long ago.

[Start_Running]

Originally posted by Fenris:

I am over 30 years old, even my Steam Account is 17 Years old, and i am not allowed to buy Adult Only games, because of stupid German laws or Steam to lazy to implement a Age Verification.
The Customers are now suffering, because the German Goverment and Valve are to Stuborn to solve this...
Other Websites where able to implement a easy Age Verification, why is Valve not able to do it?

They found a solution. Not selling the games in germany.
Sadly Businesses will take the path of least resistance on these things .
And if there's less cost and less hassle to simp,ly just not sell something.. well...

[BJWyler]

At the end of the day, you need to elect better government officials. It's not Valve's job to work around the spurious laws of every country in the world just so a small handful of people can look at pixel boebies, or whatever some politician is trying to ban this week.

If Valve sees a good ROI on something, then they'll implement it. If they don't, then they won't. And most likely dedicating on going resources to this issue is probably not something that offers any ROI.

[Fenris]

of curse its a problem made by the german goverment, but they sell these and other measures to censor the internet in order to protect the children... none of these old farts in parliament would ever stand against that...
nevertheless the solution for a valid age verification is absolute simple, at this point valve is just lazy to implement it in my eyes

[Brian9824]

Originally posted by Fenris:

of curse its a problem made by the german goverment, but they sell these and other measures to censor the internet in order to protect the children... none of these old farts in parliament would ever stand against that...
nevertheless the solution for a valid age verification is absolute simple, at this point valve is just lazy to implement it in my eyes

Cost effective is not the same thing as lazy, nor is not caving into demands you find unreasonable to be lazy.

[Mad Scientist]

Originally posted by Fenris:

of curse its a problem made by the german goverment, but they sell these and other measures to censor the internet in order to protect the children... none of these old farts in parliament would ever stand against that...
nevertheless the solution for a valid age verification is absolute simple, at this point valve is just lazy to implement it in my eyes

Businesses and people don't need to bow down to every whim of the german government. Valve decided they didn't want to do that, or may work on something here/there, releasing in an undetermined future.

Why should every non-eu business/entity do everything a foreign nation demands, rather than making a good-enough solution and going about collecting money as-always? Again, if you have an issue with this, the resolution starts where the laws & regulations are made. This is a non-eu business and it does international trade, not everything another nation demands is worth even considering.

[Fenris]

Originally posted by brian9824:

Originally posted by Fenris:

of curse its a problem made by the german goverment, but they sell these and other measures to censor the internet in order to protect the children... none of these old farts in parliament would ever stand against that...
nevertheless the solution for a valid age verification is absolute simple, at this point valve is just lazy to implement it in my eyes

Cost effective is not the same thing as lazy, nor is not caving into demands you find unreasonable to be lazy.

for a valid age verification, valve needs a number from my german id card, there is a system from the goverment that simply says this persion is old enough. and this can simply automated with this systems platform.
Valve implents far more complex systems for other silly functions.

[William Shakesman]

Originally posted by Fenris:

Originally posted by brian9824:

Cost effective is not the same thing as lazy, nor is not caving into demands you find unreasonable to be lazy.

for a valid age verification, valve needs a number from my german id card, there is a system from the goverment that simply says this persion is old enough. and this can simply automated with this systems platform.
Valve implents far more complex systems for other silly functions.

Nobody in this thread understands Valves reasoning here or has any experience implementing systems of this sort, much less experience complying with these laws. Some probably aren't even aware of what is required.

Which is to say you don't have to convince THEM as they could not help you even if they wanted.

In the same spirit I can only offer an equally bad and unhelpful answer: given how much of the AO section of Steam is bara furry stuff, they are doing you a favor.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originally posted by Fenris:

Originally posted by brian9824:

Cost effective is not the same thing as lazy, nor is not caving into demands you find unreasonable to be lazy.

for a valid age verification, valve needs a number from my german id card, there is a system from the goverment that simply says this persion is old enough. and this can simply automated with this systems platform.
Valve implents far more complex systems for other silly functions.

They don't see it worth the risk of having or handling that information for users in one specific region.

[Fenris]

Originally posted by Mad Scientist:

Originally posted by Fenris:

of curse its a problem made by the german goverment, but they sell these and other measures to censor the internet in order to protect the children... none of these old farts in parliament would ever stand against that...
nevertheless the solution for a valid age verification is absolute simple, at this point valve is just lazy to implement it in my eyes

Businesses and people don't need to bow down to every whim of the german government. Valve decided they didn't want to do that, or may work on something here/there, releasing in an undetermined future.

Why should every non-eu business/entity do everything a foreign nation demands, rather than making a good-enough solution and going about collecting money as-always? Again, if you have an issue with this, the resolution starts where the laws & regulations are made. This is a non-eu business and it does international trade, not everything another nation demands is worth even considering.

bro, this is about a simple age verifaction, not about valve has to change the whole shop or whatever...

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originally posted by William Shakesman:

Originally posted by Fenris:

for a valid age verification, valve needs a number from my german id card, there is a system from the goverment that simply says this persion is old enough. and this can simply automated with this systems platform.
Valve implents far more complex systems for other silly functions.

Nobody in this thread understands Valves reasoning here or has any experience implementing systems of this sort, much less experience complying with these laws. Some probably aren't even aware of what is required.

Which is to say you don't have to convince THEM as they could not help you even if they wanted.

In the same spirit I can offer an equally bad answer: given how much of the AO section of Steam is bara furry stuff, they are doing you a favor.

Man, that statement isn't very respectful.

[Mad Scientist]

Originally posted by Fenris:

Originally posted by Mad Scientist:

Businesses and people don't need to bow down to every whim of the german government. Valve decided they didn't want to do that, or may work on something here/there, releasing in an undetermined future.

Why should every non-eu business/entity do everything a foreign nation demands, rather than making a good-enough solution and going about collecting money as-always? Again, if you have an issue with this, the resolution starts where the laws & regulations are made. This is a non-eu business and it does international trade, not everything another nation demands is worth even considering.

bro, this is about a simple age verifaction, not about valve has to change the whole shop or whatever...

Have you considered they don't want to comply with absurd requests & they don't want to collect or check personal info just to buy video games? The most profitable regions you just enter your payment info to verify the charge and you then get the game, no verification needed.

[Fenris]

Originally posted by William Shakesman:

Originally posted by Fenris:

for a valid age verification, valve needs a number from my german id card, there is a system from the goverment that simply says this persion is old enough. and this can simply automated with this systems platform.
Valve implents far more complex systems for other silly functions.

Nobody in this thread understands Valves reasoning here or has any experience implementing systems of this sort, much less experience complying with these laws. Some probably aren't even aware of what is required.

Which is to say you don't have to convince THEM as they could not help you even if they wanted.

In the same spirit I can offer an equally bad answer: given how much of the AO section of Steam is bara furry stuff, they are doing you a favor.

as a sofware developer by myself i can say, stuff like this is easy.

the requirements for this age verification are open for everyone to read, so its 100% clear what it's needed for a valid age verification.

its not just about AO games. what comes next is, that every game is blocked in germany if it in not aproved by the official youth protection istitution or did not fill out a self assessment form. so many indi games developern that are unaware for stuff like this, are banned in germany without knowing why.