Refund Policy

[Ninefinger]

Recently there have been games that have been adding things after purchasing them that were not part of the original product that was purchased and can not be refunded due to the policy.

I really want to suggest an option to not refund the game but to allow me to shift those funds entirely to steam rather than give them to the developer.

This would give steam an option to allow a game to be refunded at any time no matter what, no matter how much you played or anything and the customer would have an option to deny funds to practices they wish not to support allowing the consumer to have more voting power with their money.

I would gladly give steam the money I paid for a game that added scummy forced logins to third party apps, like forcing a Playstation Account link when I dont have a console and dont want anything to do with Playstation for eg., steam deserve the money ten fold for their service and valve and Gaben are such shining examples of practices I wish to support not this type of garbage.

Give me the power to vote with my money PLS Gaben Godfather of gaming.

[Brian9824]

Originally posted by Ninefinger:

Originally posted by Malfunctioning Robot:

In other words you want to engage in scummy behavior to "punish" others.

Exactly why this is illegal

No I want more power over my money in the evolving gaming industry as a gamer is all. I want more accountability for changes to be in good faith and idk how other than to give consumers more power over their money.

You are literally asking for the ability to buy a game, play it for 200+ hours, and then if they ever release a change you don't like to get your money back for a game you aren't even playing anymore and whose change didn't effect you....

You can't picture the millions of people who would buy games, beat them, and then ask for their money back when they do an update saying they don't like the changes? Of course once again, that also completely ignores that what your asking for is illegal which you keep skipping over...

[Malfunctioning Robot]

Originally posted by Ninefinger:

Originally posted by Malfunctioning Robot:

In other words you want to engage in scummy behavior to "punish" others.

Exactly why this is illegal

No I want more power over my money in the evolving gaming industry as a gamer is all. I want more accountability for changes to be in good faith and idk how other than to give consumers more power over their money.

You have all the power over your money you are entitled too. Once you give it away it is not yours and you have NO entitlement to it. Hence why your suggestion is literally criminal.

Don't like what a company has done, don't buy their future products. You don't get to claw back their money or redirect it to a different company. IT IS NOT YOURS

[Mad Scientist]

Originally posted by Ninefinger:

Recently there have been games that have been adding things after purchasing them that were not part of the original product that was purchased and can not be refunded due to the policy.

...You have a problem with a game adding content after release? Most people are perfectly ok with receiving more content either after released, or as it's being developed as an EAG. Usually people complain when content is removed.

Originally posted by Ninefinger:

I really want to suggest an option to not refund the game but to allow me to shift those funds entirely to steam rather than give them to the developer.

That's not how financial transactions work, and Valve wont commit theft on your behalf. Valve and the Developer have made a contract, Valve gets 30%, the Developer gets the rest. Taking 100% of the sale when contracted only for 30% of a sale is fraud & theft. You're advocating for an illegal practice especially since this wouldn't involve a refund.

Originally posted by Ninefinger:

This would give steam an option to allow a game to be refunded at any time no matter what, no matter how much you played or anything and the customer would have an option to deny funds to practices they wish not to support allowing the consumer to have more voting power with their money.

You're not getting unlimited play time for a refund, nor any reason. If you don't agree wit ha businesses operations, don't buy their stuff or wait and see if the company does something you dislike before buying it. Most importantly, wait to see the game completed/fully released and a while after that if you want to see if they'll be adding content, which again most people like more content being added as it's QOL for the game.

Originally posted by Ninefinger:

I would gladly give steam the money I paid for a game that added scummy forced logins to third party apps, like forcing a Playstation Account link when I dont have a console and dont want anything to do with Playstation for eg., steam deserve the money ten fold for their service and valve and Gaben are such shining examples of practices I wish to support not this type of garbage.

Then don't buy games that have the notice of non-steam apps being needed in which steam is the 3rd party? Research before you buy.


This suggestion isn't serious, right?

[William Shakesman]

Originally posted by Tito Shivan:

Originally posted by Ninefinger:

I really want to suggest an option to not refund the game but to allow me to shift those funds entirely to steam rather than give them to the developer.

May your decisions in the past be a lesson for your decisions in the present, as the past cannot be changed.

Student loan forgiveness being a political issue these days I think would give you pretty good proof that, given the correct advocate, the past is always negotiable and there are plenty of ways to escape agreements you previously signed whose good faith have been abused.

That said, a savvy gamer could have dodged this bullet fairly easily. Hmm, kernel anticheat AND published by Sony. Thats a ticking time bomb to be sure. Deep Rock is still plenty.

[Ninefinger]

Bottom line is we need more power over our money so that these practices cant happen, I dont see any other way.

Devs are the ones stealing from us when they updating the game so people cant play it.

I am bothered more on behalf of those gamers than I am for myself and want to steal my money back becasue if they can do it so should we.

[Mad Scientist]

Originally posted by Ninefinger:

Bottom line is we need more power over our money so that these practices cant happen, I dont see any other way.

Devs are the ones stealing from us when they updating the game so people cant play it.

I am bothered more on behalf of those gamers than I am for myself and want to steal my money back becasue if they can do it so should we.

You have all the power where your money does or doesn't go when you decide to or not to purchase a product. Once the refund time is over, it's an insignificant chance to get a refund unless there's a serious issue especially for most of the playerbase. Things like server shutdowns 10Yrs later does not count.

I definitely am questioning if this is serious since people usually complain of removed content, not added content, especially if you're getting it for free as a free content update. If it's DLC, you already can choose not to buy such content.

[Brian9824]

Originally posted by Ninefinger:

Devs are the ones stealing from us when they updating the game so people cant play it.

Again false claim

No one can't play it, some don't want to link their accounts and are choosing not to. There is a big difference.

Again, all this is becuause the OP doesn't want to link a PSN account to the game, nothing more.

[Ninefinger]

Originally posted by Mad Scientist:

Originally posted by Ninefinger:

Bottom line is we need more power over our money so that these practices cant happen, I dont see any other way.

Devs are the ones stealing from us when they updating the game so people cant play it.

I am bothered more on behalf of those gamers than I am for myself and want to steal my money back becasue if they can do it so should we.

You have all the power where your money does or doesn't go when you decide to or not to purchase a product. Once the refund time is over, it's an insignificant chance to get a refund unless there's a serious issue especially for most of the playerbase. Things like server shutdowns 10Yrs later does not count.

I definitely am questioning if this is serious since people usually complain of removed content, not added content, especially if you're getting it for free as a free content update. If it's DLC, you already can choose not to buy such content.

its not about adding content obviously i love adding content, I play games all my life and lots of early access games and yes I got my moneys worth out of all my game purchases even the ones that may have shut down or whatnot.

I am only pissed that we have no control over scummy practices and thought I had a good idea or at least want to push for a good idea to make things different in a way that we have more control over our evolving products so that devs are held more accountable for the future of the product.

[Ninefinger]

Originally posted by brian9824:

Originally posted by Ninefinger:

Devs are the ones stealing from us when they updating the game so people cant play it.

Again false claim

No one can't play it, some don't want to link their accounts and are choosing not to. There is a big difference.

Again, all this is becuause the OP doesn't want to link a PSN account to the game, nothing more.

There are countries that dont have access to PSN.

[Malfunctioning Robot]

And just a reminder in case anyone was actually buying the OP's baloney
https://archive.ph/b0imQ

Game was ALWAYS listed as requiring a PSN account

[Ninefinger]

Originally posted by Malfunctioning Robot:

And just a reminder in case anyone was actually buying the OP's baloney
https://archive.ph/b0imQ

Game was ALWAYS listed as requiring a PSN account

It was not required since I played 200 hours otherwise I wouldnt have bought it.

[Brian9824]

Originally posted by Ninefinger:

Originally posted by brian9824:

Again false claim

No one can't play it, some don't want to link their accounts and are choosing not to. There is a big difference.

Again, all this is becuause the OP doesn't want to link a PSN account to the game, nothing more.

There are countries that dont have access to PSN.

No signs they will be blocked yet, its not live so it would be easy to flag those countries to not require it for instance. So your jumping the gun without even knowing how its going to work for those countries.

[Brian9824]

Originally posted by Ninefinger:

Originally posted by Malfunctioning Robot:

And just a reminder in case anyone was actually buying the OP's baloney
https://archive.ph/b0imQ

Game was ALWAYS listed as requiring a PSN account

It was not required since I played 200 hours otherwise I wouldnt have bought it.

It was always LISTED that it needed one, they had it optional for a while, but always advertised that it was part of the requirements.

[Mad Scientist]

Originally posted by Ninefinger:

Originally posted by Mad Scientist:

You have all the power where your money does or doesn't go when you decide to or not to purchase a product. Once the refund time is over, it's an insignificant chance to get a refund unless there's a serious issue especially for most of the playerbase. Things like server shutdowns 10Yrs later does not count.

I definitely am questioning if this is serious since people usually complain of removed content, not added content, especially if you're getting it for free as a free content update. If it's DLC, you already can choose not to buy such content.

its not about adding content obviously i love adding content, I play games all my life and lots of early access games and yes I got my moneys worth out of all my game purchases even the ones that may have shut down or whatnot.

I am only pissed that we have no control over scummy practices and thought I had a good idea or at least want to push for a good idea to make things different in a way that we have more control over our evolving products so that devs are held more accountable for the future of the product.

Advocating for theft is not a good idea.
You can choose if or when to buy a product, especially if you research before you buy and find it continually receives updates. Else, you can ask the Developer/Publisher to enable Branches for their game in which you can be given access to multiple versions of their game.

After the 2 Hours within 2 Weeks portions of the refund policy, getting a refund is nearly 0% unless it's closer to that amount of time or there's a serious playerbase affecting issue or legal issue with the Dev. Contract is 30% unless selling over a certain amount of copies, so they're not going to steal the other 70% on behalf of anyone as that would be illegal.

Vote with your wallet, and if a Dev is doing "scummy practices" before you buy it, then consider not buying the product ever, or only when it is in a condition you fully accept.

[Malfunctioning Robot]

Originally posted by Ninefinger:

Originally posted by Malfunctioning Robot:

And just a reminder in case anyone was actually buying the OP's baloney
https://archive.ph/b0imQ

Game was ALWAYS listed as requiring a PSN account

It was not required since I played 200 hours otherwise I wouldnt have bought it.

Wonder if the OP's problem is that he can't read? Store page ALWAYS listed it as a requirement. Prior nonenforcement does not change what they agreed to and acknowledged 3 times through payment processing