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If he said he was sorry would you sympathize? (Thats a rhetorical question. This quote is just an extension of the first paragraph of my post lol)
This is arguing a straw man. I didn't say "unban everyone" or that bans should be temporary. Instead of telling you the same stuff in my other posts, go read them. This is NOT your standard, "I just don't like VAC bans boohoo" post. Additionally, you make a great example of someone abusing me despite my original punishment that I accepted being private. The punishment retroactively became public on my single gaming social media account. I do not deserve this since that wasn't the punishment at the time I cheated, and I would have made a new Steam account 18 years ago if I knew punishments would arbitrarily grow
Obviously, cheating has consequences just like speeding in a car has them. However, after you pay the punishment of the time -- your speeding ticket -- you do not receive retroactive additional bills. If the bill was US$250 at the time you sped and the state increases the bill to US$500 and you have not sped again, you do not get a US$250 bill in the mail. Read my other posts for more information, because it seems like you do not understand the original punishments for 1.6 VAC bans when Steam just came out about 20 years ago.
Also, way to show you haven't read a thread before "contributing" to it. Arrogant much? I guess you just know everything and need not read what others are saying before you give your "valuable" opinion. This has been pointed out three or more times here: You can see bans on any account by simply changing the URL very slightly. There are also websites that check for you if that is too complex for you.
Third party sites will carry that work of accounting who's a 'dirty cheater' and who's not (with all the shortcomings and errors third party sites can have) Just like we saw these sites related to who was a trade scammer (or was related to one) and who wasn't.
Now? Hatred for cheaters has been a staple of gaming since... forever. This is nothing new.
There's a problem with unbanning old VACBanned accounts. Size and ownership.
There's a sizeable volume of these accounts laying around. And quite a volume of those have been sold to toxic parties by their owners (See the reason why VAC Banned accounts cannot engage with UGC)
You don't want to enable that army to be toxic again in-game, worsening an already perceivedly large cheating issue.
Once again, I am not suggesting an unban of all VAC accounts. I am suggesting an unban of a very tiny fraction of banned acounts -- those who had their punishment increase from a private VAC ban to a public VAC ban. There simply aren't that many accounts that fall into this bucket. I understand your worries here, but it will be a drop in the bucket. Bad actors will continue to buy accounts for US$10 from random websites or whatever they do. Adding something like 0.001% of previously banned accounts back into the pool will not push the needle significantly at all. These accounts also, I'd speculate, fall into two main buckets anyway: 1.) Abandoned accounts that are lost forever. 2.) Old heads that kept their account since they didn't see having a private VAC ban on record as being a big deal (not bad actors). There might be some 3.) crazy bad actors. However, (3) is a tiny fraction of a tiny fraction of accounts. It's a double tiny fraction. This just change will bring practically almost zero accounts into the hands of bad actors.
Additionally, it really doesn't matter if would move the needle or not, because as I've discussed throughout this thread, what is right is what is right. It is horrific that many people received an upgrade to their ban retroactively, and this upgrade in punishment is far beyond what they understood the punishment would be when they decided to continue using their account. If I had a speeding ticket from 5 years ago, say it was US$250, and I paid it, the punishment should stay in the past and stay that amount. If the state increases the speeding bill to US$600, I shouldn't receive a US$350 bill in the mail. That's not how punishments work in any just person's head.
Friday, November 17 2006 just a few short months after you received your ban, Vac announces that it caught over 10,000 people cheating. Now these 10,000 people that were caught cheating weren't caught over the period of a few months, they were all caught a week prior to the 17th of November 2006. You was caught on the 13th July 2006 and you say that it is a tiny fraction of banned accounts.
You keep saying your punishment has increased but it hasn't you are banned "Permanently" you are still paying for your crime, you haven't paid your dues, you still have the ankle bracelet on and under house arrest. You cheated and got caught knowing what getting caught would mean. I mean you had had your account for a few years so you can't even say you were new to Steam.
You are not the victim here, the victims are the ones you cheated against NOT you.
I apologize, but I will have to end our conversation since you seem to be trolling. If you aren't, I hope you're a kid, because you are likely in major trouble if you can't process the information I'm giving you. Just reread what you replied to a few times nice and slow. It's all in there.
I read everything and can process it all no problem however, all I see is your typical boohoo story "I've been banned and it's unfair". If I had a quid for every time I've heard such a story then I'd be retired at 50, guess what...
10,000 accounts were banned in one week prior to the 17th November 2006 and that is from Valve after the release of Vac 2. You was caught on the 13th July 2006, your ban is permanent. That is not trolling, that is FACT!
Way to not read anything in the thread. Congratulations for the arrogance reward where you suspect something is going on and then speak random intuition out as if it were worth everything to everyone.
Neither Steam, nor your profile, is a social media platform, no matter how many times you try to state otherwise. That is a fact, and it is a fact in the eyes of the law.
VAC bans are permanent, and have been since before yours was received. It doesn't "grow" any more than that. Your $250 speeding ticket is still $250. And it's public record. Those who don't want to deal with a speeder are well within their rights not to want to deal with you. That's life, and life was never guaranteed to be fair or work in your favor when you want it to.
I've read the thread many times. You want your VAC ban to be removed because you cheated before Steam had public user profiles. That's not a legitimate reason for a VAC ban to be removed. The only reason for a VAC ban to be removed is if it was erroneous, which yours wasn't.
It sure does grow. When I decided to keep my VAC ban, the bans were private for my viewing only. Now, anyone I'm in a game with on pretty much any game can fetch the ban. This is a social function that has augmented my punishment. Now, people mistreat me in random games, and people might think differently of me that I link up with from IRL. I can't believe you're pretending not to understand this. It's about as simple as it gets.
You are falling into a thinking trap I'm well aware of (and I'm legitimately sorry this isn't common sense to you :(... ). So when someone says something should be different, many people have the rebuttal, "Well, that's not the law/policy." Right... that's the entire point of the argument. It SHOULD be the law or policy. It's common sense that the suggestion is against the current law or policy. For example, if someone is against capital punishment in a state that uses it, it makes no sense to argue, "No, this false. In fact, capital punishment is allowed here." Hopefully, I have improved your ability to think logically. This happens all the time in philosophy 101 courses where, for whatever reason, people need to be explicitly told that moral conclusions are different than legal ones.
Thanks,
Vandal
Your ban would be completely unknown to me and many other people if you hadn't posted about it here, even if I had a reason to look at your profile.
VAC bans that are older than 7 years are only visible to the account owner unless there's a newer ban on the account.
That's the compromise Valve made. The permanent ban stays permanent, but it's not broadcast after a certain amount of time.
If a rule exists, it probably exists for a reason. Understanding that reason can help you understand whether the rule is correct. And in this case, the logic seems pretty sound to me. Temporary bans were tried and they didn't work to stop cheating, so Valve turned to permanent bans.
Bans that affect accounts, not people. Accounts do not get "killed" when they're banned from playing a specific game in multiplayer. There's not a government taking someone's life here. You, a person, can create a new account for free. Or even keep using your current account. You're banned from the one game you cheated in.