hYpe Mar 29, 2024 @ 8:28pm
Fire CS2 devs!
They are doing nothing to solve cheaters, they are just focused on skins, we need a real dev team that cares to make a good game!
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HikariLight Mar 29, 2024 @ 8:41pm 
EVERY online game will have cheaters.
#fixsociety
So long as the human desire to get ahead by any means exists, so too will cheaters
The battle of anti-cheats VS. cheaters is a neverending game of cat and mouse.
hYpe Mar 29, 2024 @ 8:44pm 
Originally posted by HikariLight:
EVERY online game will have cheaters.
#fixsociety
So long as the human desire to get ahead by any means exists, so too will cheaters
The battle of anti-cheats VS. cheaters is a neverending game of cat and mouse.
nah bro the problem here is the devs here, there is no excuse for people shooting through walls while looking at the ground, I'm not even a dev and i could code to prevent this. They are clearly just taking advantage of the cheaters buying accounts all the time instead of making them stop.
William Shakesman Mar 29, 2024 @ 8:46pm 
It's CS:Gover
hYpe Mar 29, 2024 @ 8:49pm 
Originally posted by William Shakesman:
It's CS:Gover
+ :(
Ben Lubar Mar 29, 2024 @ 8:57pm 
Originally posted by HUH:
They are doing nothing to solve cheaters, they are just focused on skins, we need a real dev team that cares to make a good game!

do you think the anticheat devs are making steam workshop weapon skins or something

those are different people
Gwarsbane Mar 29, 2024 @ 9:00pm 
Originally posted by HUH:
Fire CS2 devs!

They are doing nothing to solve cheaters, they are just focused on skins, we need a real dev team that cares to make a good game!

Copy and paste for every time a "I have a great idea to stop cheating" and the "DO SOMETHING" posts that always happen because people don't bother to use the search feature...

While below is mainly aimed at VAC, it can be said about any anti-cheat software.

Do you really think that they just sit there saying, "oh we have the perfect way to stop all hackers/cheaters once and for all, but we're just not going to do it cause we're lazy, ohh look at that, more money just rolled in, time to sit back doing nothing again"....

You have no idea how hard it is to stop hackers/cheater.

Blocking IPs are pointless, IPs can be changed in seconds, also if you block a single IP you could end up blocking lots of innocent people specially if the ISPs reuse IPs.

Blocking Hardware IDs is also as pointless, they can be changed and if you sell off your hardware, anyone who gets it will be banned.

Asking for some form of ID is pointless without anyway for Valve to actually Verify that ID is actually real. There is this thing called photo editing, its easily done by just about anyone. So sending pictures of the ID is pointless. There is no government databases that Valve can tap into from every single country they sell in the world because no government in their right mind would ever allow a game company access to private information.

Take the US all on its own, there are 50 different states, each with their own IDs, there is no single US ID so that would be 50 different databases Valve would need access too. Canada, same thing, each province and territory has their own Provincial ID, no actual Canadian ID. Now think about the hundreds of countries out there that are setup the same way.

There is no place that people can take their IDs to get verified because it would cost Valve a lot of money to pay those places to do that for them. You would also need a lot of places because no one is going to drive even miles every time they need to get their ID checked.

Most people do not have passports and to get one is very expensive, least it is in my country and its only good for a few years. If I'm not traveling outside of my country why do I need a passport?

Phone calls to talk to someone, pointless & expensive.

Require phone numbers won't work because there are free services out there that allow you to get free numbers and free texting. Also not everyone has a cell phone.

Sending someone to persons home, very expensive.

Limiting the number of accounts people can make is not possible. For one thing, Valve has no idea who is sitting at the keyboard. If you have 1 PC but have a family of 4 or 5 or more that all use that PC for gaming, and each of them has their own account, you just made it impossible for that family to have their own games on their own accounts, which is better then every single game for kids and adults on one account.

Valve can't even use a camera on the PC to see who is behind the keyboard because not all PCs have webcam. I (and may of my friends) don't use webcams. If I had a laptop with one, I would have tape over it. Cell phone has a case that covers the selfie camera.


Valve has to know about the hack and has to get their hands on it.
Then they have to figure out how it does its thing.
Then they have to figure out how to detect someone using it.
Then they have to figure out how to make sure they don't get any false positives.
Then they make it go active for a few weeks before actually hitting the kill switch.

Even before hitting the waiting time, this could be a few weeks work or more.

Why do they wait a few weeks to hit the kill switch? To get as many cheaters as they can in the net so that once they turn it on, the roaches don't go screaming to people "don't turn on the hack, its been detected".

Valve is also working on an automated way to detect cheating with teaching an AI what to look for. BUT this takes a long time to do and even then its not going to be perfect. Valve needs it to be perfect, to not create false positives that ban people who didn't actually cheat.

Now, do you know how easy it is for a cheat maker to change the cheat to make it undetectable? Sometimes its as simple as changing a few lines of code and thats it. Basically a few minutes work, then compile the program, test it, and upload it somewhere.

So if you want to help Valve, stop making posts like this. Look for people spreading urls to websites with hacks and send those urls (for the hacks and hack sites) to steam support. Don't post them in public, just send it to steam support.

If the game is not VAC protected, then you have to contact the game developer/publisher via the games discussion area and ask them how to submit the stuff to them.
hYpe Mar 29, 2024 @ 9:01pm 
Originally posted by Ben Lubar:
Originally posted by HUH:
They are doing nothing to solve cheaters, they are just focused on skins, we need a real dev team that cares to make a good game!

do you think the anticheat devs are making steam workshop weapon skins or something

those are different people
I know they have different teams for the different sections but they will have an overall manager of the whole lot, they are focusing on everything but the anti-cheat it's obvious.
Ben Lubar Mar 29, 2024 @ 9:02pm 
Originally posted by HUH:
Originally posted by Ben Lubar:

do you think the anticheat devs are making steam workshop weapon skins or something

those are different people
I know they have different teams for the different sections but they will have an overall manager of the whole lot, they are focusing on everything but the anti-cheat it's obvious.

Valve doesn't have managers. That's, like, their whole thing.
hYpe Mar 29, 2024 @ 9:03pm 
Originally posted by Gwarsbane:
Originally posted by HUH:
Fire CS2 devs!

They are doing nothing to solve cheaters, they are just focused on skins, we need a real dev team that cares to make a good game!

Copy and paste for every time a "I have a great idea to stop cheating" and the "DO SOMETHING" posts that always happen because people don't bother to use the search feature...

While below is mainly aimed at VAC, it can be said about any anti-cheat software.

Do you really think that they just sit there saying, "oh we have the perfect way to stop all hackers/cheaters once and for all, but we're just not going to do it cause we're lazy, ohh look at that, more money just rolled in, time to sit back doing nothing again"....

You have no idea how hard it is to stop hackers/cheater.

Blocking IPs are pointless, IPs can be changed in seconds, also if you block a single IP you could end up blocking lots of innocent people specially if the ISPs reuse IPs.

Blocking Hardware IDs is also as pointless, they can be changed and if you sell off your hardware, anyone who gets it will be banned.

Asking for some form of ID is pointless without anyway for Valve to actually Verify that ID is actually real. There is this thing called photo editing, its easily done by just about anyone. So sending pictures of the ID is pointless. There is no government databases that Valve can tap into from every single country they sell in the world because no government in their right mind would ever allow a game company access to private information.

Take the US all on its own, there are 50 different states, each with their own IDs, there is no single US ID so that would be 50 different databases Valve would need access too. Canada, same thing, each province and territory has their own Provincial ID, no actual Canadian ID. Now think about the hundreds of countries out there that are setup the same way.

There is no place that people can take their IDs to get verified because it would cost Valve a lot of money to pay those places to do that for them. You would also need a lot of places because no one is going to drive even miles every time they need to get their ID checked.

Most people do not have passports and to get one is very expensive, least it is in my country and its only good for a few years. If I'm not traveling outside of my country why do I need a passport?

Phone calls to talk to someone, pointless & expensive.

Require phone numbers won't work because there are free services out there that allow you to get free numbers and free texting. Also not everyone has a cell phone.

Sending someone to persons home, very expensive.

Limiting the number of accounts people can make is not possible. For one thing, Valve has no idea who is sitting at the keyboard. If you have 1 PC but have a family of 4 or 5 or more that all use that PC for gaming, and each of them has their own account, you just made it impossible for that family to have their own games on their own accounts, which is better then every single game for kids and adults on one account.

Valve can't even use a camera on the PC to see who is behind the keyboard because not all PCs have webcam. I (and may of my friends) don't use webcams. If I had a laptop with one, I would have tape over it. Cell phone has a case that covers the selfie camera.


Valve has to know about the hack and has to get their hands on it.
Then they have to figure out how it does its thing.
Then they have to figure out how to detect someone using it.
Then they have to figure out how to make sure they don't get any false positives.
Then they make it go active for a few weeks before actually hitting the kill switch.

Even before hitting the waiting time, this could be a few weeks work or more.

Why do they wait a few weeks to hit the kill switch? To get as many cheaters as they can in the net so that once they turn it on, the roaches don't go screaming to people "don't turn on the hack, its been detected".

Valve is also working on an automated way to detect cheating with teaching an AI what to look for. BUT this takes a long time to do and even then its not going to be perfect. Valve needs it to be perfect, to not create false positives that ban people who didn't actually cheat.

Now, do you know how easy it is for a cheat maker to change the cheat to make it undetectable? Sometimes its as simple as changing a few lines of code and thats it. Basically a few minutes work, then compile the program, test it, and upload it somewhere.

So if you want to help Valve, stop making posts like this. Look for people spreading urls to websites with hacks and send those urls (for the hacks and hack sites) to steam support. Don't post them in public, just send it to steam support.

If the game is not VAC protected, then you have to contact the game developer/publisher via the games discussion area and ask them how to submit the stuff to them.
aint no way i'm reading all that.
But to briefly respond: 7.7 billion dollar company
hYpe Mar 29, 2024 @ 9:05pm 
Originally posted by Ben Lubar:
Originally posted by HUH:
I know they have different teams for the different sections but they will have an overall manager of the whole lot, they are focusing on everything but the anti-cheat it's obvious.

Valve doesn't have managers. That's, like, their whole thing.
ok i see, so the devs behind CS just popped up out of nowhere? no one was hired to specifically work on the game "CS2"?
Ben Lubar Mar 29, 2024 @ 9:07pm 
Originally posted by HUH:
Originally posted by Ben Lubar:

Valve doesn't have managers. That's, like, their whole thing.
ok i see, so the devs behind CS just popped up out of nowhere? no one was hired to specifically work on the game "CS2"?

people who work at valve work on whatever project they're interested in

some light reading: https://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/apps/valve/Valve_NewEmployeeHandbook.pdf
Last edited by Ben Lubar; Mar 29, 2024 @ 9:07pm
76561197963519852 Mar 29, 2024 @ 9:41pm 
Fire em.
76561198407601200 Mar 29, 2024 @ 9:59pm 
Originally posted by HUH:
Originally posted by HikariLight:
EVERY online game will have cheaters.
#fixsociety
So long as the human desire to get ahead by any means exists, so too will cheaters
The battle of anti-cheats VS. cheaters is a neverending game of cat and mouse.
nah bro the problem here is the devs here, there is no excuse for people shooting through walls while looking at the ground, I'm not even a dev and i could code to prevent this. They are clearly just taking advantage of the cheaters buying accounts all the time instead of making them stop.
Evidence or simply will remain incorrect.
76561197963519852 Mar 29, 2024 @ 10:12pm 
Originally posted by The Living Tribunal:
Originally posted by HUH:
nah bro the problem here is the devs here, there is no excuse for people shooting through walls while looking at the ground, I'm not even a dev and i could code to prevent this. They are clearly just taking advantage of the cheaters buying accounts all the time instead of making them stop.
Evidence or simply will remain incorrect.
Google: steam prime account for sale
Froggy Mar 30, 2024 @ 12:03am 
Originally posted by redacted:
Originally posted by The Living Tribunal:
Evidence or simply will remain incorrect.
Google: steam prime account for sale
How does that provide any sort of evidence to what he claimed?

You're also known to make stuff up as you go along, so you're more than welcome to provide evidence that backs your own claims, and his seeing how you agree with it.
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