Mark games with the anti cheat engine they use on the Store page.

[Anmheda]

Games that use VAC have it marked on the store page. Games with DRM or 3rd party stuff have it marked as well. But I never see games using EAC or other kernel level anti cheat being marked on the store page. All games should have the name of the anti cheat engine they use marked on the store page.

[DyingJedi]

+1

just supporting your idea!

Don't really care really as not being a cheater, but care for DRM purposes if that's your meaning. and wanting to not support a certain DRM protected brand.

[Anmheda]

Originally posted by DyingJedi:

+1

just supporting your idea!

Don't really care really as not being a cheater, but care for DRM purposes if that's your meaning. and wanting to not support a certain DRM protected brand.

Thanks +. I like avoiding games with DRM and all unnecessary 3rd party software, including anti cheat in most cases. Im not a cheater, but I dont like kernel anti cheat software inside games or anti cheat software on the client side for games that are PvE, co op, or generally all games that are not competitive.

[Start_Running]

Problem is Valve themselves have no real idea what AC is in any game so its up to the dev/pubs to disclose and there is no requirement to disclose such and quite a bit of legal precedent that allows them to not disclose such if they don;'t want to

[Anmheda]

Originally posted by Start_Running:

Problem is Valve themselves have no real idea what AC is in any game so its up to the dev/pubs to disclose and there is no requirement to disclose such and quite a bit of legal precedent that allows them to not disclose such if they don;'t want to

Valve can, if they want, require devs or publishers to disclose information about which AC software their games use.

[Mad Scientist]

Originally posted by Anmheda:

Originally posted by Start_Running:

Problem is Valve themselves have no real idea what AC is in any game so its up to the dev/pubs to disclose and there is no requirement to disclose such and quite a bit of legal precedent that allows them to not disclose such if they don;'t want to

Valve can, if they want, require devs or publishers to disclose information about which AC software their games use.

They have a "hands off" policy so they dont like making unimportant things "mandatory", feel free to view it on SteamDB if you absolutely need to know what Anti-Cheat it is. Also EAC is a literal non-issue as an anticheat, very much doubt thats anything near "kernel level".

[Anmheda]

Originally posted by Mad Scientist:

Originally posted by Anmheda:

Valve can, if they want, require devs or publishers to disclose information about which AC software their games use.

They have a "hands off" policy so they dont like making unimportant things "mandatory", feel free to view it on SteamDB if you absolutely need to know what Anti-Cheat it is. Also EAC is a literal non-issue as an anticheat, very much doubt thats anything near "kernel level".

I already use SteamDB, yes. Steam already marks games with DRM and other 3rd party software, so I think its quite possible and easy to also mark AC software without problems, If they want. Also, im not here to discuss which AC is good/bad etc, Im just suggesting an idea to mark games with the AC they use. FYI, EAC is a kernel level anti cheat.

[Start_Running]

Originally posted by Anmheda:

Originally posted by Start_Running:

Problem is Valve themselves have no real idea what AC is in any game so its up to the dev/pubs to disclose and there is no requirement to disclose such and quite a bit of legal precedent that allows them to not disclose such if they don;'t want to

Valve can, if they want, require devs or publishers to disclose information about which AC software their games use.

Exceopt that Valve cannot legally require such information in many cases.
Also reqyuiring it could be seen as unde duress and discrimination, ergo abuse of their market dominance.

This is why Valve takes a hands off approach.
You as the consumer are free to simply not buy games where there is no disclosure as to what AC or the presense of anti cheat.

[Anmheda]

Originally posted by Start_Running:

Originally posted by Anmheda:

Valve can, if they want, require devs or publishers to disclose information about which AC software their games use.

Exceopt that Valve cannot legally require such information in many cases.
Also reqyuiring it could be seen as unde duress and discrimination, ergo abuse of their market dominance.

This is why Valve takes a hands off approach.
You as the consumer are free to simply not buy games where there is no disclosure as to what AC or the presense of anti cheat.

I see, but why do all games on Steam have to mark if they use DRM or not? Why would AC be different?

[Start_Running]

Originally posted by Anmheda:

Originally posted by Start_Running:

Exceopt that Valve cannot legally require such information in many cases.
Also reqyuiring it could be seen as unde duress and discrimination, ergo abuse of their market dominance.

This is why Valve takes a hands off approach.
You as the consumer are free to simply not buy games where there is no disclosure as to what AC or the presense of anti cheat.

I see, but why do all games on Steam have to mark if they use DRM or not? Why would AC be different?

All games don't have to tell you if they use DRM.

[William Shakesman]

Originally posted by Anmheda:

Originally posted by Start_Running:

Exceopt that Valve cannot legally require such information in many cases.
Also reqyuiring it could be seen as unde duress and discrimination, ergo abuse of their market dominance.

This is why Valve takes a hands off approach.
You as the consumer are free to simply not buy games where there is no disclosure as to what AC or the presense of anti cheat.

I see, but why do all games on Steam have to mark if they use DRM or not? Why would AC be different?

I don't think there IS a hard requirement that DRM be declared. Only Denuvo.

[76561198407601200]

Originally posted by Anmheda:

Originally posted by Start_Running:

Exceopt that Valve cannot legally require such information in many cases.
Also reqyuiring it could be seen as unde duress and discrimination, ergo abuse of their market dominance.

This is why Valve takes a hands off approach.
You as the consumer are free to simply not buy games where there is no disclosure as to what AC or the presense of anti cheat.

I see, but why do all games on Steam have to mark if they use DRM or not? Why would AC be different?

You were already given a reason.

Originally posted by Start_Running:

Originally posted by Anmheda:

Valve can, if they want, require devs or publishers to disclose information about which AC software their games use.

Exceopt that Valve cannot legally require such information in many cases.
Also reqyuiring it could be seen as unde duress and discrimination, ergo abuse of their market dominance.

This is why Valve takes a hands off approach.
You as the consumer are free to simply not buy games where there is no disclosure as to what AC or the presense of anti cheat.

[William Shakesman]

Originally posted by The Living Tribunal:

Originally posted by Anmheda:

I see, but why do all games on Steam have to mark if they use DRM or not? Why would AC be different?

You were already given a reason.

Originally posted by Start_Running:

Exceopt that Valve cannot legally require such information in many cases.
Also reqyuiring it could be seen as unde duress and discrimination, ergo abuse of their market dominance.

This is why Valve takes a hands off approach.
You as the consumer are free to simply not buy games where there is no disclosure as to what AC or the presense of anti cheat.

Can confirm. Valve doesn't check the contents of the store page and there's no real requirement, for instance, that games that do not run in certain countries or without online be listed as such.

[Anmheda]

Originally posted by The Living Tribunal:

Originally posted by Anmheda:

I see, but why do all games on Steam have to mark if they use DRM or not? Why would AC be different?

You were already given a reason.

Originally posted by Start_Running:

Exceopt that Valve cannot legally require such information in many cases.
Also reqyuiring it could be seen as unde duress and discrimination, ergo abuse of their market dominance.

This is why Valve takes a hands off approach.
You as the consumer are free to simply not buy games where there is no disclosure as to what AC or the presense of anti cheat.

I just always assumed games on the store page were required to mark if they use DRM (Denuvo etc) or not, seeing lots of games already mark it. Well, my suggestion still stands. I think it would be great if all games were required to mark which 3rd party software they use (DRM, AC, 3rd party software etc).

[RiO]

Originally posted by Start_Running:

Problem is Valve themselves have no real idea what AC is in any game so its up to the dev/pubs to disclose and there is no requirement to disclose such and quite a bit of legal precedent that allows them to not disclose such if they don;'t want to

It's actually a legal requirement in the EU.

Traders are legally required to disclose the presence and functioning of technical protection measures in place on digital content they sell, as well as disclose any and all relevant information with respect to hardware and software compatibility, extending also to any third party products and redistributables that need to be installed for their offering to function properly and with full support.

While traders have an exclusion from that responsibility in the form of only being required to give information on things they should reasonably have been able to be aware of, Valve cannot call on that exclusion.

And that's precisely because Valve has publishers update their own storefront pages on Steam. When publishers do that they are, legally speaking, doing so in their role as agent to the trader. Therefore the trader, through their agent - the publisher themselves - should undeniably be 100% informed of all the relevant set pieces involved.

Basically: Valve is legally liable for any lies of omission on the publisher's part.
(Kind of recontextualizes the whole Helldivers debacle as well, doesn't it?)

Originally posted by Start_Running:

Originally posted by Anmheda:

Valve can, if they want, require devs or publishers to disclose information about which AC software their games use.

Exceopt that Valve cannot legally require such information in many cases.

They actually can do that very easily. Simply under "necessity to comply with law."

[Aesthier]

Another +1 here I agree with the OP.