Games requiring third party accounts: A big no-no

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As a Steam user, I want to buy a game and play it right away. The last thing I want to do is having to give out my email and other personal information to a third party, create an account on some third party service, and having to keep track of the separate credentials.
Steam/Gabe/whoever, please, if you are listening, can you make it so that games can't require you to create a third party account?

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

The biggest irony here is that people are only using Helldrivers as an excuse but will happily ignore Battlenet, Battleye, Paradox, 4k's launcher, Ubisoft's account stuff, Origin/EA, All Online Games and so on because they don't have any means to actually make up situational problems for those games that they do not own or never played.

News flash for everyone, Playstations screw up being a problem is not something every other gamer has had so far so perhaps seek to remove Sony's 3rd party launchers.

[Shoobflops]

An even bigger irony here is that obvious toaster gamers can't grasp the concept of getting tired of a thing. It's so hard to even think about "Yeah I'm tired of this being a thing, I am tired of this being normalized. I don't want to keep doing it." I assume it's because they had everything handed to them in life but I will be open for anyone to give me other ideas.

[Shoobflops]

Origineel geplaatst door ❤ Succubus with a Farm Degree:

Origineel geplaatst door Squashed Moof:

An even bigger irony here is that obvious toaster gamers can't grasp the concept of getting tired of a thing. It's so hard to even think about "Yeah I'm tired of this being a thing, I am tired of this being normalized. I don't want to keep doing it." I assume it's because they had everything handed to them in life but I will be open for anyone to give me other ideas.

Yes its called not being a drama queen, you being tired of something has no impact of anyone but yourself which is why I will say that I don't care my games has launchers, they remember my sign in information which to me is fine, do I expect people to agree? No, but again i also expect people to try and come up with some lame excuse like they always will do and suggest they understand other strangers online better then the person themself does.

Seriously I do expect someone to come along and drag on saying that I'm sucking up to some company or, as you said, being handed things to me, I just dont care for the drama but you still fell into the whole idea of projecting what another person feels just because you dont agree with their post.

In this case the problems of Sony are still not everyone else's as much as they like to pretend they are.

As if to punctuate and prove my point with a piece of rebar, you bypass the group reasoning and try to use it to win a personal argument. I've explained why there was such a backlash.

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

Origineel geplaatst door Squashed Moof:

Origineel geplaatst door ❤ Succubus with a Farm Degree:

Yes its called not being a drama queen, you being tired of something has no impact of anyone but yourself which is why I will say that I don't care my games has launchers, they remember my sign in information which to me is fine, do I expect people to agree? No, but again i also expect people to try and come up with some lame excuse like they always will do and suggest they understand other strangers online better then the person themself does.

Seriously I do expect someone to come along and drag on saying that I'm sucking up to some company or, as you said, being handed things to me, I just dont care for the drama but you still fell into the whole idea of projecting what another person feels just because you dont agree with their post.

In this case the problems of Sony are still not everyone else's as much as they like to pretend they are.

As if to punctuate and prove my point with a piece of rebar, you bypass the group reasoning and try to use it to win a personal argument. I've explained why there was such a backlash.

Honestly it was hard to tell if you were quoting me or not so I'll bow out and apologize for misreading, my bad.

[Ben Lubar]

I've never seen anyone complain that Warframe requires an account. I've seen many people (me included) complaining that the game doesn't remember your password.

People don't hate some company other than Valve being allowed to have a database, they hate inconvenience. Helldivers 2's PSN requirement probably would have been begrudgingly accepted had it worked from day 1.

[Shoobflops]

I've seen this as an argument so often out of sony sheep and it's like.. okay? Maybe people got a microsoft account or a sony account and didn't like it so now they don't like making any accounts now. I had a lot of accounts that were just set adrift in space that I actually had to get rid of because they were useless in the end. No one wants to have those.

[Shenaniganz]

Third party sign-ins are an annoying waste of time

[William Shakesman]

Origineel geplaatst door Chronocide:

Origineel geplaatst door Malfunctioning Robot:

They accept it, and the purchaser agreed to that, its explicitly agreed to in the SSA

Makes sense to me. Steam is doing all they can to follow the agreed upon rules for the sale.

@monkehmaster
The capitalist world is all or nothing. Whatever is allowed to happen will continue to happen. If this matters strongly to you, make an example of them by allowing the company to die by no longer supporting them ever again. Not just this particular developer, everything they make or own. Captialism doesn't allow companies to learn from mistakes they make, they only learn from mistakes that kill other companies. Decide for yourself if not playing this company's games, ever again, is acceptable to you. You might find yourself, personally, without games to play, but that's the route towards getting results in the future.

You're identifying a human problem but misattributing the cause to a systemic force. I don't want to lambast you on this as I am not the biggest capitalism fan out there, but the problem here is people. People with names are making literally idiotic decisions that ANYONE with the slightest bit of knowledge about the market and customer base could tell you would be catastrophic. Thats not profit seeking at all. Your statement about learning the lesson from destroyed companies suggests these are people responding to observable incentives but thats simply not the case or they wouldn't have stepped in this to begin with. You cannot assume that "Because a corporation did X, X must be dictated by profit or market forces. Many major corporations that impact your life daily do not care about profit and never have or will. Capitalism is A problem but THE problem is people.

In the same vein, people aren't going to go to the mattresses over every single sleight. Thats just human nature. And I guarantee even the biggest corporation respectors and contract worshippers here are not ready for a world where people do that over every edge case. (An actual capitalism problem is the market expanding the appeal to flood the customer base with people who don't have the standards to make such a collective action possible anyway)

[Shoobflops]

Origineel geplaatst door Ben Lubar:

I've never seen anyone complain that Warframe requires an account. I've seen many people (me included) complaining that the game doesn't remember your password.

People don't hate some company other than Valve being allowed to have a database, they hate inconvenience. Helldivers 2's PSN requirement probably would have been begrudgingly accepted had it worked from day 1.

If it was optional and they followed marketing standard no one would have batted an eye. "Hey linking your account is optional but if you do you can get shinies~" which works every single time even on people who'd rather not. They link their account to get the shinies. This is not hard actually.

Source: Market psychology experience.

[HikariLight]

Origineel geplaatst door Squashed Moof:

Origineel geplaatst door Ben Lubar:

I've never seen anyone complain that Warframe requires an account. I've seen many people (me included) complaining that the game doesn't remember your password.

People don't hate some company other than Valve being allowed to have a database, they hate inconvenience. Helldivers 2's PSN requirement probably would have been begrudgingly accepted had it worked from day 1.

If it was optional and they followed marketing standard no one would have batted an eye. "Hey linking your account is optional but if you do you can get shinies~" which works every single time even on people who'd rather not. They link their account to get the shinies. This is not hard actually.

Source: Market psychology experience.

On of the CMs had stated that they had a special cape planned to give to everyone once they linked their PSN accounts.
But now that whole plan is thrown out.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Origineel geplaatst door HikariLight:

Origineel geplaatst door Squashed Moof:

If it was optional and they followed marketing standard no one would have batted an eye. "Hey linking your account is optional but if you do you can get shinies~" which works every single time even on people who'd rather not. They link their account to get the shinies. This is not hard actually.

Source: Market psychology experience.

On of the CMs had stated that they had a special cape planned to give to everyone once they linked their PSN accounts.
But now that whole plan is thrown out.

Now the CEO is getting a cape made referencing the review bombing and is just going to add it regardless of linking accounts.

[Unaccounʇed4]

I second the general sentiment.

I would like an option to filter out games that have 3rd party service accounts as a hard requirement

And I would like there to be a requirement for developers/publishers to always list that need for an external account along with the 3rd Party Eula/DRM/etc. boxes on the store page.

[Tito Shivan]

Origineel geplaatst door Ben Lubar:

I've never seen anyone complain that Warframe requires an account.

For the most part, the actual complain comes mostly from games that add the requirement at a posterior date (Case in point: Helldivers 2)

Origineel geplaatst door Unaccounʇed4:

I would like an option to filter out games that have 3rd party service accounts as a hard requirement

That'd be cool to have. And another different for requiring the agreement of a third party EULA.
Tools to make search as granular as possible are always welcome.

[Phénomènes Mystiques]

I lost quite a few games accumulating to a loss of $120 due to those games having secondary DRM. ♥♥♥♥ you Rockstar Games and Valve!

[Tito Shivan]

Origineel geplaatst door Cosa Nostra:

I lost quite a few games accumulating to a loss of $120 due to those games having secondary DRM. ♥♥♥♥ you Rockstar Games and Valve!

How did you 'lose' them?