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First party is the organization that OWNS the game, not always the one that sells it.
Learn the difference between a store that sells things and the business that actually owns those items.
Third party just means an un-involved entitiy.
If you buy something through Steam, it's between you and Steam, but the games are usually provided by a third party.
Anytime you play a game, the game and you are the first and second party. Or by extension the people behind the game. Steam's DRM would be the third party service from this perspective.
Similar to pronouns:
I, we -> first party, the one speaking
you -> second party, the one spoken to
he, she, it, they --> third party, spoken about but not part of the actual dialogue
nope and you guys can keep replying and keep trying to convince others, but its not changing mine or anyone elses who think the same.
steam is first party and anything sold on steam is third party, end of story.
bye and have a nice day/night
dear humorless steam moderators, literally lyrics from a song, please seek culture
They're only the first party for the consumer for the transaction or for valve made games.
Kind of like when you buy a gpu from certain manufacturers from anywhere and it includes a fair sized notice saying not to return it to the store but to contact them for support first, since they're the 1st party that made the product not merely stocking it on a shelf and are thus familiar with their own product and any conditions that may cause false senses of doa or issues that are strictly temporary or require settings alteration.
Theres no way people can miss the difference between a products page and unrelated pages let alone manufacturer vs store shelf for who the 1st party of a product is, right?
By this logic the players must be the publisher because they make digital copies move by purchasing a license.
Yeah, seriously.
You'll need to convince EA, Ubisoft and anyone else requiring 3rd party launcher/account to drop the requirement from their games. They are the only ones who can do it. Valve will not lift a finger regarding the matter.
Like if the game requires a 3rd party account and the publisher/owner won't budge on this point, how should steam respond?
Do they just not sell the product? What if they've already sold copies of the product, and this is something the owner/publisher adds to the game at a later date? Refunding things isn't free for steam (credit cards/paypal charge fees for refunds to the sellers)
Or should steam just make it so games are unable to be updated once purchased? Like even if you know about bugs, they shouldn't update it because the version you paid for is that version only.
https://imgur.com/a/CEBPUZE
every game store page (for games with those requirements) has posted needing some third party account, third party drm, third party EULA, third party launcher, third party w/e...
go tell the devs of each and every game on steam (again the ones with those requirements) that those arent third party and that their games arent third party, we dont care to hear misinformation.
in any case, the misinformation and circular arguing isnt getting you anywhere or scoring you any points, so ill be leaving you to claim false things and try convincing game devs and everyone on steam, what we and they, dont know about the facts.
anywho, fact remains, steam is the first party, customers are second party, games and any software the devs/pubs add/create are third party.
now with that laid to rest.
have fun
games can update without adding third party stuff.
tons of launchers cause issues, break things, sign-in issues, among many more things, though fair to say some do work properly, but thats far and few between and yes some people may not be affected by issues, but thats only because pc configurations are all different.
i mean should game devs like fraxis/2k (for civ 5) adding a launcher to a game they stopped developing 6-7 years ago be something thats acceptable?
their launcher literally broke the game for most of their playerbase, all for some ads about civ 6..., they never even bothered fixing it... heck its half broken in civ 6 as well and requires customers to guide workarounds for the playerbase.
the only recourse for civ 5, is using a beta branch that doesnt have the launcher, or bypassing the launcher with launch commands.... how is that acceptable behavior?
we come here to buy and play games, not play login and launch launchers games, before we are allowed to play the game itself.
in any case, just sayin that all this third party stuff is a nuisance and a hassle and mostly to pad numbers, or bypass steams cut and predatory sales, in the purchasing of games.
for accounts, most cant even bother giving incentive to sign up, maybe they could give out a skin/cosmetics or something... not just make people signup for nothing as it affects literally nothing and they sure dont need it for crossplatform, games can do that without the need for other accounts.
drm well thats a whole other can of worms and i think steams is enough as it is.
that all said, i simply dislike all the third party nonsense, it just causes issues for most people.
Steam doesn't make updates for games that they didn't make. It's not within their control to alter the updates.
So on a practical level, if an update comes out that adds 3rd party something, does steam reject the update or do they accept it? What if the update does fix lots of issues? Steam can't cherry pick this. All or nothing.
Are they selling you a game that updates, or are they selling you a specific version of the game?
If sony, or whoever, releases an update that makes your game playable on your pc AND adds 3rd party account stuff, is it steam that should reject it?
did you see anywhere in my comment that valve should be doing something? no... OP maybe, but take that up with the OP.
but if we want to talk about it, maybe valve should put some rules in place to guide proper use of third party stuff, this way issues dont happen, so games arent broken, or games arent locked for some useless account that gives zero benefit, etc.. etc..
and as said, majority of it is to bypass steams cut, or pad company numbers, predatory sales and pulling customers from purchasing on steam, etc.. etc..
also, you dont need a third party launcher, or third party account, for games on steam to get updates, also games can update to different version, with out shoveling third party crap into (or outside of the game files) their games.
just sayin.
@monkehmaster
The capitalist world is all or nothing. Whatever is allowed to happen will continue to happen. If this matters strongly to you, make an example of them by allowing the company to die by no longer supporting them ever again. Not just this particular developer, everything they make or own. Captialism doesn't allow companies to learn from mistakes they make, they only learn from mistakes that kill other companies. Decide for yourself if not playing this company's games, ever again, is acceptable to you. You might find yourself, personally, without games to play, but that's the route towards getting results in the future.
must have missed the helldivers 2 issue, sure didnt work well for sony huh?
guess it isnt all or nothing, its all about the customers to devs/pubs who care.
this has been a built up issue for years, finally people started taking a stand for themselves in the last year or so, so we are going to keep seeing more change on these fronts.
valve may end up taking a stance themselves if issues keep happening like this, so dont be surprised about it, when or if it happens.... just look at large amounts of refunds.
who do you think nets the loss on those, between the devs/pubs and steams cut? not including any issue between valve, making them pay back the loss or how ever they go about those circumstances.
in any case, vote with your wallet and your reviews.
that all said, i stopped buying from majority of these big companies/publishers a long time ago, i wont deal with it..., now im simply saving more money in the long run, not buying from them and buying indie games, without all the third party bs, forced politics, data collection, or scummy business nonsense.